Were Adam & Eve The First Ever Humans?

He is the serpent, the Great Dragon, Beelzebul, the ruler of this world, the prince of the power of the air, the evil one, and the adversary. He is Satan. And—if you are a follower of Jesus Christ—he hates your guts with a passion. Like a roaring lion he is prowling about seeking to destroy you. How can you stand firm and resist the devil so that he will flee from you? First, do not be naive; you must consider his ways.
  1. He may slander God to you in order to cast doubt on God’s goodness and shipwreck your faith (Gen 3:4-5).
  2. He may tempt you to deceive others in order to create, or maintain, the impression of being more spiritual (Acts 5:3; Jn 8:44).
  3. He may corrupt your mind and steer you away from the simplicity of Christ and His gospel (2 Cor 11:3).
  4. He may hinder [cut in on, as in a race] your gospel witness and steal it from unsuspecting hearts (1 Thess 2:18; Matt 13:19).
  1. [*]He may wrestle against you, fighting against your progress in Christ (Eph 6:12).
    [*]He may tempt you to commit sexual immorality against your spouse as a result of neglecting the intimacy of the marriage bed (1 Cor 7:5).
    http://counselingoneanother.com/2012/02/13/20-ways-satan-may-seek-to-destroy-you/
Try to overcome that "spin" in a few well considered words.
 
Desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering.
Are you sure? What is suffering?
Suffering, or pain in a broad sense,[1] may be an experience of unpleasantness and aversion associated with the perception of harm or threat of harm in an individual.[2] Suffering is the basic element that makes up the negative valence of affective phenomena. The opposite of suffering is pleasure or happiness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering
Affective states are psycho-physiological constructs. According to most current views, they vary along 3 principal dimensions: valence, arousal, and motivational intensity.[4] Valence is the subjective positive-to-negative evaluation of an experienced state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affect_(psychology)

It is a fundamental physical experience. We can share the chemical motor response with someone else's "suffering". The empathic mirror response in our mirror neural network.

Quorum Sensing.

Hence the universal imperative of "movement in the direction of greatest satisfaction" (away from discomfort, suffering).
 
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The bible contradicts what you believers say.
Genesis 1:27 NKJV: So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Genesis 3:1 NCV: Now the snake was the most clever of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day the snake said to the woman, “Did God really say that you must not eat fruit from any tree in the garden?”
Genesis 19 NKJV: Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.

That's what the Bible says.

If you want to alter it to support your agenda, feel free. But I will laugh at any attempt to claim that your altered version is the "true" version.
You can argue all you like, but you cannot show where God created two human beings, to incestuously create the diversity we see in the human race today.
That is fundamentally absurd.
Of course it is.

It's also absurd to claim that God created Man from dust, given that humans are mostly water. It's absurd to claim that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, or that Adam lived 930 years, or that Noah got two of every single land animal onto a boat. But that is what the Bible SAYS. Right there, in black and white. Why not accept it, instead of trying to deny it and substitute your own claims?

It says what it says.
Exactly.

Genesis 1:27 NKJV: So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Genesis 3:1 NCV: Now the snake was the most clever of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day the snake said to the woman, “Did God really say that you must not eat fruit from any tree in the garden?”
Genesis 19 NKJV: Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.

I would have to ignore the translated words, I would have to pretend that incest was used to create human race.
You don't have to pretend anything. The Bible isn't literally true. Even though it says that Adam was the first man, and all humans came from Adam and Eve - it's a myth. It's not literally true. Genesis isn't even one myth; it is two, concatenated together. That's why they contradict one another.
I would have to turn a blind eye to the variety in humans we see today
No, you would have to accept what is actually written in the Bible - and that the Bible isn't literally true. And that would crush your entire belief system. And we have all seen to what silly lengths you will go to to defend your belief system.
 
The only certainty is uncertainty.
I don't buy that. That's existentialism.
In the view of the existentialist, the individual's starting point is characterized by what has been called "the existential attitude", or a sense of disorientation, confusion, or dread in the face of an apparently meaningless or absurd world.[7] Many existentialists have also regarded traditional systematic or academic philosophies, in both style and content, as too abstract and remote from concrete human experience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

I believe that their are certain cosmic constants which are valid for all possible spacetime configurations. Certain physical values and mathematical functions seem to be universally constant.

Even in chaos patterns may be found.
 
But that is what the Bible SAYS. Right there, in black and white. Why not accept it, instead of trying to deny it and substitute your own claims?
It is a perfect example of God "confounding our language". No one knows the true face of god.
We are created in His image?
Confound me, please.........:eek:......:eek:......:eek:......:eek:......:rolleyes:.....
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Existentialism is passive activity, and Buddhism is active passivity.
Founded on certain cosmic constants, no?
(There is no riddle that Google can not solve.)
It depends on the perspective and logic of the argument, no?
Shared reality is achieved by concensus agreement, a very sophisticated form of quorum sensing and sentience.
 
It's like "Holy Mary, Mother of God". Don't take it too literally.
Confound me some more.......
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Sorry, but when I seek enlightenment, why on earth would I want to begin with considering stuff which is not to be taken literally? Seems like the long way around, no?

I prefer to experience my world from known properties, which I can take literally and which allow me to make "appropriate" decisions, based on predictable results.

Such assumptions that not your atoms but your soul ascends to the heavens. If I spread my ashes in the forest to fertilize a young sapling, I might continue to exist for maybe a thousand years. I may become immortal, just spread out a little....

Going the long way around never leads to appropriate decisions, as holistic as they may seem.
 
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It's absurd to claim that the Earth was created 6000 years ago,

It doesn’t claim that.

or that Adam lived 930 years,

Why is that absurd?

You know when you read this verse...

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Out of curiosity, do you think this verse relates to one man, or mankind?

Jan.
 
It doesn’t claim that.
It does if you read it literally. Scholars have gone through and added up all the ages claimed in the Bible (like Adam's 930 years) and come up with times between Biblical creation and recorded history (like the crucifixion of Christ.) There is some slop, of course, because often intervening times (like how long before someone bore their first child) are not described in the Bible; that could be as young as 13 or so and as old as the Bible claimed they lived. The extremes of the ranges of claimed dates for creation are 3616 BC (Yom-Tov Lipmann Heller) to 6984 BC (Alfonso of Castille) Most scholars are closer to 4000 BC.
Why is that absurd?
Because people don't live 930 years in reality.
 
Even from the most generous POV, is the bible any different than a good long James Michener book?
At least Michener books are founded on knowledge of prevailing conditions during the history of earth.
James Albert Michener was an American author of more than 40 books, most of which were fictional, lengthy family sagas covering the lives of many generations in particular geographic locales and incorporating solid history.
Wikipedia

The bible can't even claim that.
And it is still being considered as a viable and valid psychological tool for symbiotic domestication and civilization?

A Michener Novel also has a lot of morality plays.
 
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Confound me some more.......
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Sorry, but when I seek enlightenment, why on earth would I want to begin with considering stuff which is not to be taken literally? Seems like the long way around, no?

I prefer to experience my world from known properties, which I can take literally and which allow me to make "appropriate" decisions, based on predictable results.

Such assumptions that not your atoms but your soul ascends to the heavens. If I spread my ashes in the forest to fertilize a young sapling, I might continue to exist for maybe a thousand years. I may become immortal, just spread out a little....

Going the long way around never leads to appropriate decisions, as holistic as they may seem.
I learned to cuss in seventeen countries. Big pile of handy words in the back of my brain. I once used a sentence that had English, Spanish, Italian and Japanese. The guy I was talking to said "What did you just say?"

My reply, "I have no idea."
 
Consider this.
A Muslim woman walks in public and her ankles are showing. The "moral police" will stop her and cane her legs to teach her that a modest Muslim woman does not tempt men with showing her ankles in public.
If she shows more, she gets publicly stoned. If she blasphemes she gets beheaded.
A wonderfully symbiotic religion.

You do know that Islam blames women for being attractive to men and are responsible for controlling men's base thoughts and behavior. When a woman gets raped, she is the responsible party for being present during that event. She is responsible for the event.

And here comes the kicker; men are unable to control their base instincts. Therefore, women must never tempt their feeble resistance and self-control. What a compliment to Muslim men.....they're just uncivilized beasts. Can't keep it in their pants, no matter how hard they try. They're men!

What do you expect, a gentleman?

Wow. I did not know that. I was not aware Islam was so strict.
 
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