There is a way to empirically test this idea. The next time a cop flashes to pull you over, don't co-operate. See what happens. The truth is that you don't come into contact with the violence of the state because you have trained yourself to avoid it. To not give it a second thought.
No, I don't break the laws so I don't have to worry being pulled over.
You obviously do, so you worry about them.
The vast majority of arrests are for nonviolent "crimes" between consenting adults. The fact that you like the violence perpetrated by the state does not mean that it is not violence.
Oh BS, the vast majority of arrests are not for non-violent crimes.
2009 Total 11,062,554 Arrests
Violent crime 467,925
..Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter 10,010
..Forcible rape 17,473
..Robbery 102,071
..Aggravated assault 338,371
Property crime 1,396,365
..Burglary 240,919
..Larceny-theft 1,080,053
..Motor vehicle theft 65,593
..Arson 9,800
Other assaults 1,061,342
Forgery and counterfeiting 68,894
Fraud 173,685
Embezzlement 14,562
Stolen property 84,287
Vandalism 217,395
Weapons; carrying, possessing, etc. 132,910
Prostitution and commercialized vice 56,869
Sex offenses 61,467
Drug abuse violations 1,332,981
Gambling 8,170
Offenses against the family and children 92,366
Driving under the influence 1,158,468
Liquor laws 48,182
Drunkenness 488,110
Disorderly conduct 529,455
Vagrancy 26,563
All other offenses (except traffic) 306,133
Suspicion 1,597
Curfew and loitering law violations 91,005
Runaways 75,823
The men in blue costumes. They call themselves the force. And they believe that they are justified in forcing their beliefs about morality on peaceful strangers.
Nope, they don't make the laws.
Nor do they determine guilt.
You really don't know how our government works do you?
If I put on a costume and started kidnapping people left and right would that meet your definition of sensible?
And no one is being kidnapped.
The Police turn them over to the Justice System which indeed has bail and Habeus Corpus rules.
You REALLY don't know how our govenment actually works, do you?
The act of being born on a geographical land mass does not bind anyone into a contract they can't get out of in perpetuity to strangers, be it a cell phone company or a government.
And I explained that it doesn't.
You can leave any time you want.
If a relationship is not voluntary it could not possibly be said to be by consent.
If you stay, you are giving your consent.
You don't have to stay.
It's a BIG world.
There are lots of other choices.
I've already told you that I don't consent. And if the word consent is supposed to mean anything, it means that people have the option of not consenting.
And I've told you that you can leave if you don't consent.
What part of staying implies consent don't you understand?
There is nothing of any reality in this. There are something like half a million laws on the books. And I have absolutely nothing to do with any of them being there. I certainly have never created any governments.
So?
This country is not just about you.
I'm just some guy. And if I did create the government ought I not to have the power to uncreate it?
You do.
It's how our government works.
You just have to find enough other people who agree with you first.
This is all so very strange. How can you possibly think that I have anything even remotely to do with the activities of the government? They have total dominion over me, not the other way around.
Nah, they have sensible laws that allow you freedom to pretty much do what you please.
Here are two good videos if you are so inclined:
I'm Allowed to Rob You
The Magic of Pronouns
Sorry, not into You-tubes as a form of argument.
State your case if you can.
What if I deliberately disobey a police officer?
Well if it's not a trivial issue you could get in trouble.
But you know what, there really aren't that many police officers running around telling you what to do.
What if I started selling LSD or pot?
Well you could get arrested.
Is that what this is all about?
You don't like it that drugs are illegal.
Again, you can move to places where they are.
What if I truly started living as though I were a free person living in a free society and did what I really wanted?
Is that allowed?
Sure, works for me.
The state doesn't exist. Only people exist. These people who call themselves the state are just random strangers who I have never met and don't trust as they are outside of my Dunbar unit, which means that it is completely rational for me not to trust them in the slightest.
So? again it's not all about you.
Essentially what you are saying is that random strangers I've never met get to take a cut out of any voluntary interaction I have with people I do know and trust?
Nope, only if you exchange the money the people allowed the government to create. Use of their money is indeed a form of consent.
You still aren't addressing what makes the activities of the state any different form those of any other person. The "consent of the governed" is not a valid justification. If six out of ten people agree that my neighbor Bob should be allowed to rob me, does that make it okay?
When you want to deal with the real world let me know.
I don't want to be governed.
Again, move to where you won't be.
I want to voluntarily associate or not associate with people.
As far as I know you can do that here.
There is nothing of any reality in this position. The state owns all of the guns, all of the prisons, all of the nuclear weapons. It controls (mutilates) the psychological development of every child that is filtered through it's education camps. I just want to live my life and be happy. I have no interest in wasting it trying take on a leviathan that is nothing more than a cold monster. Sure, maybe if I invested my soul into it, I might get a little change in one particular area. But I don't want to use the state to force my beliefs on others.
So move.
If people are too stupid to be trusted with running their own lives, than it must also be true that they are too stupid to be trusted with running other peoples lives. Political candidates are people. They are not mythical beasts who tranced any of the faults or problems you can find with any one else. Therefore it makes no sense to say that I can just vote for someone else. I already understand myself better than political candidates do. And I don't wish to use the leverage of the state to force my ideas on others.
So move.
Sure as hell can't leave on my salary.
Too bad.
The fact that you have no rebuttal but to just tell me to get lost is an admission that your position is running on fumes here.
No it's not.
There are 310 million other people here.
They, for the most part, don't agree with you.
But they were here first and made the rules.
Don't like em, then you can either stay and work to change them or find another place that suits you better.