No Michael, it's your claim that your proposed system of no income tax is so great. I've simply asked you to show us a large successful country that operates without one.
I did: The United States of America. pre-1913.
So you want an anwser, try redefining your terms into something that has proper meaning.
Well first of all, taxation isn't stealing, but ignoring your predjudical language, if you just take care of yourself by what you grow, and you barter with your neighbors, you have no reportable income and you pay no income tax.
What? Should I start using Double plus ungood too?
Why should a free person have to report their income to the State? Why? They shouldn't. Just because all the men on the island take a vote that raping the woman who washed ashore is now "legal" does in no way make it moral. She is innocent Arthur. Making ANY sense yet?
Free humans who trade with one another should NOT have to subject themselves to some other humans (elected or otherwise) who use FORCE to steal from their labor. I fail to see what's so hard to gasp here.
It's like you're knee deep in 1984 can't seem to grasp the very notion that Income Tax may well BE Orwellian. You know? How everyone in the book just accepts Big Brother. No one questions anything. language is altered to control conversation. That's what you seem to be doing. Innocent suddenly seem unsettling so you alter the word to make yourself feel better about supporting theft. How do we determine what's right and what's wrong? We must go to first principals. Is it moral to steal? No. Is it moral to initiate force against someone who has done nothing against you? No. See how simple this is? Therefor, do not create a monetary system of thievery and then initiate force against Citizens born into it and expect it to be anything other than immoral. Is that so hard to get? Is change THAT scary?
Muppet's. That's what Goldies call the "Big Game" they 'take down'/sucker into buying overly complex debt-based 'financial products'/2-bit scams.
You? Ha! You and I are not a Muppet.
Us they'd call Cattle. There to be milked of income/production at the maximal level yet still remain viable and able to produce meat and milk. Why you're so happy to support it.... I have no idea???
I was wondering? Was it the nude picture I posted that one time? I mean, did that set you off on a path of anti-Michael? Are you so happy to cut your nose off to spite your face? Or is it you truly don't see that the system we have is indeed immoral?
OK then, do you support Free markets? You know, free trade between human beings (assuming there's no violence involved)? How about a free market on interest rates? Should the free market set the interest rates or some douche bag at the Federal Reserve? You do know Alan Greenspan caused most of this mess trying to blow up another bubble to help out rich new yorkers after the dot.com bust. Yup, next stop housing all aboard. Now it's bonds themselves. That last great bubble. Think of this, if it weren't for a twist of fate, it could have been Corzine who was Fed Chair. Look at what a crooked wicket incompetent turd he IS. Why any sane thinking rational person would let someone like Corzine control their fate? Why? I'd really like to know. Why are you so happy to let people treat you like Cattle? I just don't get it? The fed pellets really taste that good?
That's called stealing Arthur and it's immoral. Just because you get the government to do your stealing for you, doesn't mean you're not stealing.
Any tax you are forced to pay, against your will IS stealing. When you pay a State tax on an item you choose to pay - you are choosing to pay it knowing that you are paying some tax.
See the difference?
We have roads, we pay tax in our gas as we purchase it. The more roads you use, the more fuel you buy, the more tax you pay. This seems bit more fair. Maybe there's an even fairer way? Why not think about it? Before you launch into Progressive/Regressive taxation - try and remember that we COULD live in a world of competing currencies. The State COULD issue currency without using Fed Notes at all. So could private citizens - and we used to. ALL sorts of non-violent monetary systems could be tried.