Thing is, to generate the kind of air current you need for thrust, a car battery (or even a series of heavy-duty li/ion battery arrays) would not last long without being recharged either by a generator or solar panels... and then you're right back to the issue of weight of fuel vs thrust to weight ratio
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Using many batteries.
The main issue is not the amount of batteries. It is that given the thrust you need to generate, they will be used up very quickly. Increasing the number of batteries only solve part of the problem, as then as kittamaru pointed out, you will have too many batteries on board the ship which makes it heavier and harder and more expensive ti take off due to all that weight
You should aim at using a renewable source such as solar panals to recharge the batteries, so that the ship can continue to run
Besides these, there are some ways to recover at least a part of the heat lost via the use of thermoelectric devices
Thermoelectric generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Other than that, I am pretty much a layman in aerospace rngineering thus apologies I cannot give much advice
You should aim at using a renewable source such as solar panals to recharge the batteries, so that the ship can continue to run
Besides these, there are some ways to recover at least a part of the heat lost via the use of thermoelectric devices
Thermoelectric generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Other than that, I am pretty much a layman in aerospace rngineering thus apologies I cannot give much advice
Victor, If you don't believe or want to believe that such "perpetual energy" systems don't work then how about an experiment:
take two 12v car battery, a battery charger (120V or 230V) and a DC to AC inverter.
[You'll need to start with both batteries in a "flat" state.]
First charge a battery from your house power supply (This by the way is using an external source to kick start it, thereby proving it's not perpetual)
Next rig the charged battery to the inverter and the charger (To act as the power input) and then the other battery as the output. (so you are charging one battery with the other)
Once the battery has "Charged", repeat the process taking the newly charged battery as an input and the flat one as an output.
Eventually (I can't tell you exactly what time span, could be days/weeks) you will find that both batteries will end up flat and you'll have to look to using your household power again to charge a battery.
At that point you will have suffered a completely loss in energy through inefficient conversion.
There is no 100% efficient method to convert energy, and no way to store energy (batteries are only temporary and go "flat" due to how the method of temporary storage works).
take two 12v car battery, a battery charger (120V or 230V) and a DC to AC inverter.
[You'll need to start with both batteries in a "flat" state.]
First charge a battery from your house power supply (This by the way is using an external source to kick start it, thereby proving it's not perpetual)
Next rig the charged battery to the inverter and the charger (To act as the power input) and then the other battery as the output. (so you are charging one battery with the other)
Once the battery has "Charged", repeat the process taking the newly charged battery as an input and the flat one as an output.
Eventually (I can't tell you exactly what time span, could be days/weeks) you will find that both batteries will end up flat and you'll have to look to using your household power again to charge a battery.
At that point you will have suffered a completely loss in energy through inefficient conversion.
There is no 100% efficient method to convert energy, and no way to store energy (batteries are only temporary and go "flat" due to how the method of temporary storage works).
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1.-) The electricity serves to turn the inside of an electric turbine.
2.-) And electricity is obtained from an alternator.
3.-) The battery used to boot only.
There is the possibility to operate two alternators or more, to run a turbine of shape infinite considering how to create electricity on the side.
2.-) And electricity is obtained from an alternator.
3.-) The battery used to boot only.
There is the possibility to operate two alternators or more, to run a turbine of shape infinite considering how to create electricity on the side.
Victor, the thing is, it just doesn't work that way. If you add additional alternators, you add additional load to the motor(s). Adding loads to the motors makes them need more power to run. Requiring more power means needing additional alternators. Adding alternators means you add more load to the motors. it's a self perpetuating cycle of unsustainability.
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It will not be, that Governments around the world have agreed to avoid using a 110 volt alternator in your House. That would prevent the sale of oil and electricity of the rulers of each country.
Electricity is a business of each country, which used to sell at the homes, cars, and others.
It will not be, for this reason that not exist a 110 volt battery.
I think by logic, that a 110 volt alternator, it can be used by an electromotor, started by a 110-volt battery.
In conclusion: brainwash people to sell electricity and gasoline.
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Energy is not free, Victor. You don't even realize how much energy is being used when you burn 1 100 Watt light bulb.
If you had to get on an exercise bike that has a generator hooked to it, you'd have to pedal your butt off continuously to keep that 100 Watt light bulb lit. Can you imagine how much work you'd have to do to run the heater, or the oven? You'd have to hire 100 people to sit on those bikes and pedal their butts off for you to heat the oven.
You want a cold refrigerator? Then you need to increase workers. Want a hot shower? Hire more workers to pedal those additional generators.
There is no free ride. Work is done at a cost. You can't get work done with no workers.
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Several alternators can keep turning an electric turbine. After starting with a battery.
Do it, I dare you. What are you afraid of? That it won't work?
DO IT!
Or shut up already. That's what a real experimenter would do, not sit on their ass and make stupid drawings.
Victor, did you just hook a motor up to a generator and claim a perpetual motion machine?
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Connect to several generators of electricity.
Yes, so you are doing the "connect a motor to a generator and get a perpetual motion machine" thing!
This is often accompanied by a statement of "no, no, this time it will work because I added:
- a transformer so my 50 volt generator gets boosted to run a 100 volt motor!
- several generators so I get more power!
- a battery so I can store my power!
- a really good generator that provides more voltage than the motor!
- a gearbox so the generator goes faster than the motor!
- a belt drive so the generator goes much faster than the motor!
- a flywheel so the generator has extra power!"
People have been claiming them for at least a hundred years. They don't work - even with those other gizmos.
Victor, do me a favor... you have trusted me this far, so trust me now when I say that it cannot work.
Electrical resistance is something technology has not yet been able to overcome. Yes, we can mitigate it, but not eliminate it.
Mechanical friction is another thing we have not yet overcome. We have magneto-fluid bearings, hydrodynamic bearings, and some of the most advanced lubricants to date... but friction still exists.
Is a "perpetual motion" machine impossible? No, I'm sure it isn't. Eventually technology will get there. What WILL be impossible is using that machine to do any sort of workload, because once you start taking energy out of that perpetual motion machine, it will slow down and eventually stop. If it did not, that would mean you are somehow siphoning energy from somewhere else... which again, isn't possible at this time. The idea of drawing energy from a so called zero point clean vacuum is fascinating, but likely unattainable, at least in our lifetimes.
Trust me now, Victor... you would be better off using photovoltaics and/or a nuclear power source for something like this - relatively simple, abundant energy that requires little to no fuel to be carried with you.
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Ok.
Don't trust anyone, try it yourself. Why won't you? WHY?
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Victor - please don't post post personal info like that mate - I don't know if it's similar to a social security number, but yeah, people could potentially use that against you
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Victor - please don't post post personal info like that mate - I don't know if it's similar to a social security number, but yeah, people could potentially use that against you
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Best not to give quite so much information about yourself, Victor.
It might never cause any problems, but it would be better not to state your identity card number.
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You didn't do anything wrong Victor, it's just that he was anxious that you didn't create problems for yourself.
We are looking out for you, brother.
It might never cause any problems, but it would be better not to state your identity card number.
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I see Kittamaru has removed the information.
You didn't do anything wrong Victor, it's just that he was anxious that you didn't create problems for yourself.
We are looking out for you, brother.
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The Matter when you warm it turns into fire, the matter after the fire becomes light, the matter after becoming light, with a Prism the matter becomes in color. CONCLUSION: the matter is made of color.
BY: VICTOR ELIAS ESPINOZA GUEDEZ
VALENCIA-VENEZUELA
17 MARCH 2014
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