Victor Espinoza's: Thread of Intrigue

[Captain Kremmen]

Can't you see that because the air goes round in a circle,
that there is no resultant force in any direction?
Every force is negated by an equal and opposite force.

 

[victorespinoza]

Propellant "VEEG-VICZARELIZ" with two (2) propellers on an airplane.

Already checked, than air you can divert and the force of the air does not "touch" to the box.

This allows the air to move without stop the plane backwards.

You can do this deflecting the air with atmospheric pressure:

It is likely resulting, using the pressure of the air as object, i.e., that this propellant is ejecting a weight backwards and the weight do will not brake the blades or propellers.


Very affectionately,
Victor Elias Espinoza Guedez
06 February 2014

 

[victorespinoza]

Can't you see that because the air goes round in a circle,
that there is no resultant force in any direction?
Every force is negated by an equal and opposite force.

From which forces equal do you speak?

 

[Uncle Pythagoras]

I think he's trying to use Newton's 3rd law to push the plane forwards off the boxes flat bottoms.

 

[victorespinoza]

I think he's trying to use Newton's 3rd law to push the plane forwards off the boxes flat bottoms.

Yes, this way:

It is likely resulting, using the pressure of the air as object, i.e., that this propellant is ejecting a weight backwards and the weight do will not brake the blades or propellers.

Very affectionately,
Victor Elias Espinoza Guedez
06 February 2014

 

[Kittamaru]

For the love of christ, stop reposting the same picture over and over! Posting it multiple times doesn't make it violate basic physics any less!

Simply put - your contraption would have a net acceleration of ZERO. End of story, full stop.

 

[victorespinoza]

For the love of christ, stop reposting the same picture over and over! Posting it multiple times doesn't make it violate basic physics any less!

Simply put - your contraption would have a net acceleration of ZERO. End of story, full stop.

Where are the two forces?

 

[Kittamaru]

What two forces? It's simply physics:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

SO, since you have the fan blades pushing on the air (for a propeller), the air goes BACKWARDS and the plane goes FORWARDS.

However, in your little setup, the air is contained in a system connected TO the aeroplane, thus the action of the air going BACKWARDS is negated. It's like the idea of using a giant fan to power a sailboat - the force of the fan blowing the air into the sail would negate the force of the sail catching the air. If anything, due to inefficiency and other such losses, it would have the opposite of the desired effect.

Not to mention the fact that bolting on those blocky things would make a plane so non aerodynamic as to be incapable of flight!

 

[victorespinoza]

What two forces? It's simply physics:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

SO, since you have the fan blades pushing on the air (for a propeller), the air goes BACKWARDS and the plane goes FORWARDS.

However, in your little setup, the air is contained in a system connected TO the aeroplane, thus the action of the air going BACKWARDS is negated. It's like the idea of using a giant fan to power a sailboat - the force of the fan blowing the air into the sail would negate the force of the sail catching the air. If anything, due to inefficiency and other such losses, it would have the opposite of the desired effect.

Not to mention the fact that bolting on those blocky things would make a plane so non aerodynamic as to be incapable of flight!

It is likely resulting, using the pressure of the air as object, i.e., that this propellant is ejecting a weight backwards and the weight do will not brake the blades or propellers.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

What two forces? It's simply physics:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

SO, since you have the fan blades pushing on the air (for a propeller), the air goes BACKWARDS and the plane goes FORWARDS.

However, in your little setup, the air is contained in a system connected TO the aeroplane, thus the action of the air going BACKWARDS is negated. It's like the idea of using a giant fan to power a sailboat - the force of the fan blowing the air into the sail would negate the force of the sail catching the air. If anything, due to inefficiency and other such losses, it would have the opposite of the desired effect.

Not to mention the fact that bolting on those blocky things would make a plane so non aerodynamic as to be incapable of flight!

They used to say that about bees.

 

[billvon]

Please give me more details. Thank you.

This link, which I researched extensively, should help you answer your questions.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wind+tunnel

 

[Captain Kremmen]

Just exhibited at the Tokyo Car Show...........

The Victor Turboveeg Xri

Powered by.................

Veegtron emission

 

[victorespinoza]

Very affectionately,
Victor Elias Espinoza Guedez
06 February 2014

 

[Kittamaru]

So now, not only are you trying to make a frictionless propulsion system, but you want to make it a PERPETUAL motion system by using a generator and battery to re-capture the energy of the moving air to power the fan that is moving the air...

Victor, even YOU should be able to see why this cannot possible work... the losses due to friction in the generator, inefficiency of the battery and generation systems, losses due to electrical transmission, etc...

 

[Captain Kremmen]

LolVeeg

 

[victorespinoza]

So now, not only are you trying to make a frictionless propulsion system, but you want to make it a PERPETUAL motion system by using a generator and battery to re-capture the energy of the moving air to power the fan that is moving the air...

Victor, even YOU should be able to see why this cannot possible work... the losses due to friction in the generator, inefficiency of the battery and generation systems, losses due to electrical transmission, etc...

The air no weighing in a circle.

The idea is not to compress.

The idea is harden the air.

The blade of the propeller will be driven forward with an air hardened by the blades of the alternator.

 

[Kittamaru]

No, it won't. You cannot "harden" air, unless you are suggesting super-cooling it to the point that the "air becomes liquid", which makes no sense as "air" is multiple different elements all with their own distinct thermal properties, vapor points, etc.

Please, for the love of all that is holy (and the sanity of every physicist and mathematician who ever lived), please take a few beginners physics courses... or better still, go build a small-scale model of what you are suggesting and observe what it actually does when you try to use it.

 

[victorespinoza]

No, it won't. You cannot "harden" air, unless you are suggesting super-cooling it to the point that the "air becomes liquid", which makes no sense as "air" is multiple different elements all with their own distinct thermal properties, vapor points, etc.

Please, for the love of all that is holy (and the sanity of every physicist and mathematician who ever lived), please take a few beginners physics courses... or better still, go build a small-scale model of what you are suggesting and observe what it actually does when you try to use it.

Harden air is when you can not blow by a tube capping at one end.

 

[Kittamaru]

No, that is air pressure. It is the same as taking a small neck bottle (such as a glass soda bottle) and laying it on its side, uncapped. put a pea (or marble) on the inside of the neck of the bottle and move back a few inches. Try to blow the marble in- you won't be able to, because air pressure prevents any air from actually entering the bottle, and as such, prevents the marble from moving.

Much the same as if you turn a cup upside down and stuff a paper towel into it, then push it underwater while keeping the bottom of the glass completely level, then lift it out of the water, the paper towel will be dry. This is because air pressure prevents any water from entering the cup and touching the paper towel.

Air pressure is not "hardened air" - it is just air. Simple barometric pressure. if you were to do the cup and paper towel experiment during a period of low air pressure, and then leave it there while the air pressure increases dramatically, you MIGHT see the paper towel get wet. Probably not though, as the changes aren't all that drastic.

 

[origin]

Harden air is when you can not blow by a tube capping at one end.

I think he means an increase in air pressure. Between victors knowledge of science and the language barrier; all I can say is good luck trying to have a sensible discussion.