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Oh come on duendy I have pointed them out to you before. Do you have a memory problem?duendy said:
You constantly build straw men. e.g. "what other references besides PSY_COP do you use to debunk AL known pRANORMAL phenomena. simple question"
You have repeated a few times that because sceptics are sceptical towards abduction cases they are insulting the people who had the experience, calling them mentally ill or liars. These people are traumatised and some are even children! - The is a straw man with some sort of appeal to emotion thrown in.
You berate phogistician because he pointed out some problems with a particular case. "What will it take you make you sceptics believe! please tell me!!" (paraphrasing) Then gustav does the same thing and you pat him on the back! - double standard.
I rarely see you discuss evidence. You spend most of the time attacking science and sceptics. - ad hominem. In fact once all your points have been countered you fall back on the same topics every time, mental health and consciousness, regardless of the relevance.
These are just a few either off the top of my head or on the the previous page. I am not above fallacies myself. I didn't really want to make a big deal about it but hey you asked
So now that you have made look back a little, perhaps you could answer my queries you seem to have missed.
"Are you saying that Randi has rigged the tests?"
"Explain to me what cryptic exposure has to to with csicop."
no it is not strawmen...no i am not a liar...or mentally ill. i, including oters see tat you are a materilist who is in massive denial.............i simply explore that denial
the security blanket you rely on is....
E V I D E N C E de S O L I D
that gives you a sense of security because you believe that without your criteria for such then your universe is safe safe safe
but....i, trust people to tell me stuff if i have reason to believe them. and i wont have yous telling me what to think feel cause of your precious fundamentalism regarding materialistic science
the reason i bring in about the mental illness myth and cpnsciousness research is cause i am awae tat tis field of inquiry dosn't enter into your specialized worl ...so i make sure it do. cause your ontological premises need shakin up,so that you may be more open to peoples strange experiences. xperiences materialistic-based science cant and WONT go near
but there also DOES exit actual evidence...such asimplants, abuctees scars....but you dont know about them...or dismiss them, as is your wont...as you do evidence of UFOs in the forat of phots ad videos and prsonal accounts
all of that denial is dodgy to all not stuck in the materialistic funamental religion. as fundamentalist christians seem dodgy to YOU! same tang
and as for why PSY COP....? are you sirius
its a PUN baby ....ie., PSY= all forms of unexplainable phenomena....and COP=PIG/Inquisition
the security blanket you rely on is....
E V I D E N C E de S O L I D
that gives you a sense of security because you believe that without your criteria for such then your universe is safe safe safe
but....i, trust people to tell me stuff if i have reason to believe them. and i wont have yous telling me what to think feel cause of your precious fundamentalism regarding materialistic science
the reason i bring in about the mental illness myth and cpnsciousness research is cause i am awae tat tis field of inquiry dosn't enter into your specialized worl ...so i make sure it do. cause your ontological premises need shakin up,so that you may be more open to peoples strange experiences. xperiences materialistic-based science cant and WONT go near
but there also DOES exit actual evidence...such asimplants, abuctees scars....but you dont know about them...or dismiss them, as is your wont...as you do evidence of UFOs in the forat of phots ad videos and prsonal accounts
all of that denial is dodgy to all not stuck in the materialistic funamental religion. as fundamentalist christians seem dodgy to YOU! same tang
and as for why PSY COP....? are you sirius
its a PUN baby ....ie., PSY= all forms of unexplainable phenomena....and COP=PIG/Inquisition
No I am not saying you are a liar or mentally ill... oh never mind I'll move on.duendy said:
I am still waiting for evidence of an implant duendy...duendy said:
Scars on the body are not enough proof on their own as there are many ways to get scars.
Duendy it is impossible to know every ufo story on the planet so, like you, I can only form my opinions on the ones I have read about, which is a lot. The evidence simply isn't good enough at the moment.
The video of ufos is underwhelming to say the least. If you know of footage better than shaky lights in the distance then please let me know.
I don't really want to discuss ufos too much in this thread.
I know that but I understood your contention to be that csicop intended the pun to be made, which I highly doubt.duendy said:
ahem. "Are you saying that Randi has rigged the tests?"
Y E Sshaman_ said:No I am not saying you are a liar or mentally ill... oh never mind I'll move on.
me>>>>>>>>no i know you eren't. i meant that inSTEADof 'usual' acusation of people who witness, s being mentally ill or liars. me=witness is now a 'strawman'...ie we cant win wid u
I am still waiting for evidence of an implant duendy...
me::::haha...i know. i have dont the beginning of thatdocu but haven't got to tat bit yet....have been busy ....heh trying to de-materialize yous lot
Scars on the body are not enough proof on their own as there are many ways to get scars.
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look my scientist sir.....i have been abducted.
got evidence?
yes mr ever so great my scientist maaan.look heres scars!
sorry. we demand METALLLLLLL!
Duendy it is impossible to know every ufo story on the planet so, like you, I can only form my opinions on the ones I have read about, which is a lot. The evidence simply isn't good enough at the moment.
me:::
The video of ufos is underwhelming to say the least. If you know of footage better than shaky lights in the distance then please let me know.
me:::::seriously, you haen't been around. i have seen incredible UNshaky footage on te TV. ...of couse you playing video games aren't you. you'd miss it tut tut
I don't really want to discuss ufos too much in this thread.
me:::::::why? (puzzeld expresso)
I know that but I understood your contention to be that csicop intended the pun to be made, which I highly doubt.
me:::::so do i!
ahem. "Are you saying that Randi has rigged the tests?"
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and neither did i. if you go back and read and earlier post of mine, it outlines a course of action......scrutinize csicop pronouncements carefully. i am not interested in csicop''s other endeavours (id, etc). just et
who are these "believers"?
why do you generalize?
are you not having a discussion with a specific person?
however
excellent responses to the rest of my stuff
duendy
if you have any cases that indicate probable et ufos, present them in the "evidence" thread.
i have seen incredible UNshaky footage on te TV
that maybe true, but you gotta throw me a bone here, give me further details. i did not have the privilege as you did of watching it on tv. you have to bring something substantial to the table for your audience to munch on. it is how a disussion can progress. you have to enable others with the means to make their own analysis and conclusions. simply saying "i saw this" and leaving it at that is never good enough.
if you have any cases that indicate probable et ufos, present them in the "evidence" thread.
i have seen incredible UNshaky footage on te TV
that maybe true, but you gotta throw me a bone here, give me further details. i did not have the privilege as you did of watching it on tv. you have to bring something substantial to the table for your audience to munch on. it is how a disussion can progress. you have to enable others with the means to make their own analysis and conclusions. simply saying "i saw this" and leaving it at that is never good enough.
Me:
Duendy:
Extremist Islam, Christianity?
Well I think that science is science. It's just an intellectual framework that can be utilised equally by altruists and murderers. The negative aspects you talk of are due to human nature, and can be expressed just as easily with or without a "materialistic" scientific background.
HEYYYYY GustaVO....HI....yeah i know. what i could do wid is a proper fukin computer...then i'd show emGustav said:
dont see how i can suddenly materilize progs i've seen in the past showing unshaky crystal clear UFOs tho. didn't eventape tape tem....course 'they'd say i have 'false memory syndrome'....THEY wouldhmmmmm.....yip. your a true skeptic dude i'll give u that. but hey donnathrowme away causei only go one leg u know. give tis po me a chaaance
what i remember was a programme showing a pattern of UFOs...in kind of a V-shape. utterly still....bright UFOs and they stayed like that for quite a while. crystal clear...........the Mexico City ones were clear and i've seen others, which is why i am confused shaman etc constantly claiming only fuzzy pics...even a visit to UFOevidence we see clear imafes of convincing footage
what i have noticed is te very dismissive way the materilaists srhug OFF evidence, like scars from abductees. it is very slack indeed. dont respect it. soz boys
duendy said:
Scars do not mean aliens duendy. The most amazing discovery of in the hitory of mankind requires a little bit more than scars as proof. There are probably millions of people in the world with scrars on their body.
The word 'so' is important in that sentence. I don't i contructed it well but that shouldn't bother you.duendy said:
"Duendy it is impossible to know every ufo story on the planet so, like you, I can only form my opinions on the ones I have read about, which is a lot"
Oh fine I haven't been around and don't know anything about ufos. So find some of this incredible footage for me. Just saying it exists is not going to change anyones mind.duendy said:
Because it was supposed to be about psychics.duendy said:
That is ridiculous. It is an acronym. They are called csicop. It stands for something. If they wanted to be called psycop they would have called themselves psycop. Investigating psychic powers is only a part of what they do. You are being stupid.duendy said:
How do you know this? Do you just 'believe' that it must be?duendy said:
Do you understand how the tests work?
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I was referring to the NYC abduction case that deundy posted a link to. Phlogistician pointed out some dubious things about the case. You did as well. That was the 'same thing'.Gustav said:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=49743&page=6&pp=20
shaman and gustav....first shaman. we go round and round in circles. and i tink yo hex your posts. it's onlyshort, but i tres to get to te end but couldn't and lost post....hmmmm. basic poinsts. you are just not getting it. we go round in circles cause you have no natural savvy. dont know if its cause yer thick, too young, play to many of tem v-games...hwatever.....the point i am trying to make about your precious PSYCOP ands RANDI isssss, they are fundamenal materialists.....geddit? so obvioulsy their modus operandi will be to somehow throughwhatever dodgy means to make it to anything which threatens materilistc science i shown to be false. now eiter understand that or go learn. i am tired of trying to get through to you
gustav.....i dont really dig your comment atall. whose fukin side is yer one dude. i dont swap and change with you, so i dont expect it. what do you mean i wont 'move on'?
gustav.....i dont really dig your comment atall. whose fukin side is yer one dude. i dont swap and change with you, so i dont expect it. what do you mean i wont 'move on'?
HAVE you ever tried to communicate with a fundamentalist christian/religionist?.....if so, you may agree with me it is a completely thankless task. They are literalist and believe every word in their Bible is coming from thier 'God'. SO, no matte what you say, you cannot EVER be right cause if so you'd contradicting their very faith! and you are then see as te @Devil' etc for even TRYING to contradist their beliefs. SO, built into their belief system is an impasse.shaman_ said:
Same it is so with your materialistic fundamentalism. You 'faith' that Nature is 'dead' and thus any event, feeling etc which contradicts this ingrained UNprovable assertion (which you believe is the word of 'Sciencism'--though you wont call it that. i do) is deemed by your courteous selves woo woo, whacko, lying, fantasy, fame-hunting, crap, 'false memory syndrome'...etc etc.
SO, the prson(s) who DO have experiences have to contend with your fundamentalist PREMISES. which includes much slander, and is not at ALL scientific, but actually pathetic in the extreme. Is this clearer?