US warships frightened by Iranian boats; War of Terror; US foreign policy, etc...

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S.A.M. said:
Whats to stop Americans from staging an explosion?

Making up stories?

Faking videos?

Cui bono?
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SAM. please make the distinction between the Bush administration and the Americans. Seventy percent or more of the Americans do not approve of what Bush II has done and is doing. Most Americans did not even vote for Bush II. Most of the electors did not vote for Bush II when he first ran for the office he now holds. His re-election is still a question in the eyes of many. So when you say Americans, you should be saying Bush II.

Most Americans want to leave the area as we have bigger fish to fry and better ways to spend our money.

Is the Bush II regime capable of doing the things you referenced? Yes. Would they do it well? Historically, the Bush II regime has not executed domestic or international policies very well. This government has a basic problem with competence.

I would suggest, not to do anything that would give the Bush II government reason to take any military action...just let his government fade into history and let history be his judge.
 
S.A.M. said:
Was the grenade one of those supplied by the US to the Sunni extremists?
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Head found in Wajihia, east of BaqoubaIBC Incident k8688
Type severed head found
Deaths recorded 1

Targeted or hit head found
Place Wajihia, east of Baqouba
Date 24 November 2007
Sources McCla 24 Nov
Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

Neither personal nor demographic information was reported for the person killed in this IBC entry.
 
Was it a Sunni head? Shiite head? American head? Saudi head? Did it get decapitatied in a cluster bomb or air raid?
 
S.A.M. said:
Was it a Sunni head? Shiite head? American head? Saudi head? Did it get decapitatied in a cluster bomb or air raid?
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Body of kidnapped 17-year-old found in NajafIBC Incident k8680
Type executed
Deaths recorded 1

Targeted or hit Amir Ibrahim Hassan, kidnapped boy
Place Najaf
Date 20 November 2007 - 23 November 2007
Sources VOI 23 Nov
Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

Individuals for whom personal or identifying details were reported
IBC page Identifying details (number if more than one) Age Sex
k8680-kh972 Amir Ibrahim Hassan 17 Male
 
Don't worry plenty of ammo to shoot people yet



By a vote of 76-17, the Senate approved the $US556 billion ($644 billion) fiscal 2008 spending bill.

Marking another defeat for Democrats trying to end nearly five years of combat in Iraq, the Senate included $70 billion ($81 billion) in new money for the war there and in Afghanistan. Attempts to attach Iraq troop withdrawal plans failed.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22948992-12335,00.html
 
joepistole said:
SAM. please make the distinction between the Bush administration and the Americans. Seventy percent or more of the Americans do not approve of what Bush II has done and is doing. Most Americans did not even vote for Bush II. Most of the electors did not vote for Bush II when he first ran for the office he now holds. His re-election is still a question in the eyes of many. So when you say Americans, you should be saying Bush II.

Most Americans want to leave the area as we have bigger fish to fry and better ways to spend our money.

Is the Bush II regime capable of doing the things you referenced? Yes. Would they do it well? Historically, the Bush II regime has not executed domestic or international policies very well. This government has a basic problem with competence.

I would suggest, not to do anything that would give the Bush II government reason to take any military action...just let his government fade into history and let history be his judge.
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The Senate just funded the war for another year. Thats another years worth of dead people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What would you like me to tell the Iraqis and Afghanis on your behalf?
 
SAM it takes time to leave Iraq...especially when you have a president who is bent on keeping forces in Iraq. In the United States we have bit of a problem. The president controls the troops. The congress pays the bills. The congress cannot order the troops home. And politically they cannot not fund the troops. As Americans, we must support our troops.
We will be in Afganistan when the Afganis can take care of themselves and when the threat to our lands has been terminated. Bush II was wrong to invade Iraq. He was not wrong to invade Afganistan...now he did not execute either action competently. But that is another story. Had he done so, we would be out of Afganistan by now.
 
joepistole said:
SAM it takes time to leave Iraq...especially when you have a president who is bent on keeping forces in Iraq. In the United States we have bit of a problem. The president controls the troops. The congress pays the bills. The congress cannot order the troops home. And politically they cannot not fund the troops. As Americans, we must support our troops.
We will be in Afganistan when the Afganis can take care of themselves and when the threat to our lands has been terminated. Bush II was wrong to invade Iraq. He was not wrong to invade Afganistan...now he did not execute either action competently. But that is another story. Had he done so, we would be out of Afganistan by now.
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I consider both invasions illegal. And the dead Afghanis and Iraqis too high a price for American hubris.
 
Afganistan through bin laden attacked the United States and murdered thousands of innocent people,that cannot stand.
 
joepistole said:
Afganistan through bin laden attacked the United States and murdered thousands of innocent people,that cannot stand.
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Don't be silly.

First of all, Osama is Saudi

Second, the Taleban offered to give him up if the US gave evidence of his involvement

Third, the US refused because they could not give evidence because according to the FBI there isn't any

Fourth, the Taleban offered to hold an Islamic court proceedings and determine for themselves if he was involved; again the US refused

Fifth, the Taleban offered to hand him over to a third neutral party, for assessing his involvement; the US refused

Sixth, the President disbanded the group set up for searching for OBL and claimed that he does not care where Osama is.

So wtf are you doing in Afghanistan? When you have no evidence for anything, don't want to try OBL or even find him?

Why are you bombing Afghani civilians? What did they ever do to you?
 
I think we have been through this before SAM. There is plenty of evidence against bil laden including his own statements. Second, death of innocent civilians is the responsiblity of the enemy who does not have the guts to meet military forces on the battle field or at least not in the proximity of civilians. How many civilians has the Taliban killed outright and intentionally...a lot.
You and I both share a distaste for Bush junior. But the United States has every right and obligation to defend itself from attack.
 
joepistole said:
I think we have been through this before SAM. There is plenty of evidence against bil laden including his own statements. Second, death of innocent civilians is the responsiblity of the enemy who does not have the guts to meet military forces on the battle field or at least not in the proximity of civilians. How many civilians has the Taliban killed outright and intentionally...a lot.
You and I both share a distaste for Bush junior. But the United States has every right and obligation to defend itself from attack.
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I'm sorry. The FBI says there is no evidence. You President has DISBANDED the unit that was searching for him. The US refused all attempts to try OBL and your President has said Osama is not a priority.

Tell me again why you are bombing civilians in Afghanistan
 
S.A.M. said:
I'm sorry. The FBI says there is no evidence. You President has DISBANDED the unit that was searching for him. The US refused all attempts to try OBL and your President has said Osama is not a priority.

Tell me again why you are bombing civilians in Afghanistan
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Why are is al Queda bombing and killing in Iraq?

159-160 by suicide truck bomb in market, Amerli, near Tuz KhurmatoIBC Incident k6891
Type suicide truck bomb
Deaths recorded 159-160

Targeted or hit possibly Kurdish Communist Party HQ, outdoor market hit
Place Amerli, near Tuz Khurmato
Date and time 7 July 2007, 8:30 AM
Sources AP 09 Jul
KUNA 07 Jul

Individuals for whom personal or identifying details were reported
IBC page Identifying details (number if more than one) Age Sex
k6891-nd1044 Khalid Bayati, brother of Amir Bayati Adult Male
k6891-xz1040 Cousin of Ali Hussein Adult Male
k6891-nv1119 Child of dead woman Child Unrecorded
k6891-hx1065 Wife of Abbas Kadhim Adult Female
k6891-fm1048 Father of Abbas Kadhim Adult Male
k6891-hw1123 Mother of Abbas Kadhim Adult Female
k6891-nw1045 Brother of Abbas Kadhim Adult Male
k6891-ke990 Son of Abbas Kadhim 6 Male
k6891-nf1111 Son of Abbas Kadhim 8 Male
k6891-ka1060 Uncle of Imad Abdul Hussein Adult Male

Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
Number killed Occupation Age Sex
1 Unrecorded Adult Female

Of the 159 to 160 deaths recorded here, some personal information was reported for 10 of the dead.

Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 1 other person recorded killed.

Neither personal nor demographic information was reported for another 148-149 people killed in this IBC entry.

8-13 in two car bombings in MosulIBC Incident k8670
Type car bombs, one possibly suicide
Deaths recorded 8-13

Targeted or hit police patrols
Place Al-Mithaq Square and Al-Baath crossroads, Mosul
Date and time 23 November 2007, 12:00 PM
Sources REU 23 Nov
AFP 23 Nov
CNN 23 Nov
AP 24 Nov

Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
Number killed Occupation Age Sex
6 Police Adult Male

Decapitated and tortured body of man found in KirkukIBC Incident k8664
Type decapitated and tortured
Deaths recorded 1

Targeted or hit decapitated and tortured body of man found
Place Kirkuk
Date 22 November 2007
Sources REU 22 Nov
Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
Number killed Occupation Age Sex
1 Unrecorded Adult Male

Beheaded body of man found on bridge leading to 17th Tammouz, MosulIBC Incident k8423
Type found beheaded
Deaths recorded 1

Targeted or hit beheaded body of man found
Place bridge leading to 17th Tammouz, Mosul
Date 14 November 2007
Sources MO 14 Nov
Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
Number killed Occupation Age Sex
1 Unrecorded Adult Male

5 Sunni tribal leaders by child suicide bomber, Dojemah, near KhalisIBC Incident k8061
Type suicide bomber
Deaths recorded 6

Targeted or hit meeting of Sunni tribal leaders
Place Dojemah, near
Date and time 9 November 2007, PM
Sources DPA 12 Nov
McCla 10 Nov

Individuals for whom personal or identifying details were reported
IBC page Identifying details (number if more than one) Age Sex
k8061-ea888 Fa'ez al-Ubeid / Fa'iz al-Ubaydi Adult Male
k8061-dx963 Husayn Diyab al-Ubaydi Adult Male
k8061-ec1090 Ahmad Shahir al-Ubaydi Adult Male

Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
Number killed Occupation Age Sex
2 Tribal leader, Sunni Adult Male
1 Unrecorded 10 Male

Of the 6 deaths recorded here, some personal information was reported for 3 of the dead.

Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 3 other people recorded killed.

Beheaded body found in Al-Ighabat, north of HillaIBC Incident k8032
Type found beheaded
Deaths recorded 1

Targeted or hit beheaded body found
Place Al-Ighabat, north of Hilla
Date and time 6 November 2007, PM
Sources McCla 06 Nov
Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

Decapitated body found in KirkukIBC Incident k8024
Type found decapitated
Deaths recorded 1

Targeted or hit decapitated body found
Place Kirkuk
Date 5 November 2007
Sources DPA 05 Nov
Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

15 bodies, mostly of female students, found in al-Ehaimer. near BaqubaIBC Incident k8253
Type -
Deaths recorded 15

Targeted or hit bodies found, 'mainly of female students'
Place al-Ehaimer, northeast of Baquba
Date 27 October 2007
Sources WP 29 Oct
WP 07 Nov (MoH)

Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
Number killed Occupation Age Sex
8 Student Unrecorded Female

Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 8 people

15-25 bodies found shot, some decapitated, in Nadhum, near Lake ThartharIBC Incident k7823
Type gunfire, executed, some beheaded
Deaths recorded 15-25

Targeted or hit bodies found shot dead, some decapitated
Place Nadhum, near Lake Tharthar
Date 22 October 2007
Sources REU 23 Oct
LAT 24 Oct
NYT 23 Oct
AP 22 Oct

Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
Number killed Occupation Age Sex
15 Unrecorded Adult Male
 
What al Qaeda.

Any Tom Dick and Harry can call themselves al Qaeda.

The last leader in Iraq was an Egyptian actor.

The man known as Abu Omar Baghdadi is an actor and the group a front for Al Qaeda in Iraq, the military says. In March, he was declared captured. In May, he was declared killed, and his purported corpse was displayed on state-run TV. But on Wednesday, Abu Omar Baghdadi, the supposed leader of an Al Qaeda-affiliated group in Iraq, was declared nonexistent by U.S. military officials, who said he was a fictional character created to give an Iraqi face to a foreign-run terrorist organization.
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Guess the US gave them a lot of funds and arms to fight "al Qaeda".

:roflmao:

Anyway the FBI, CIA and President don't care.

"The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden with the 9/11 attacks on america" - FBI spokesman Rex Tomb
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A CIA unit that had hunted for Usama bin Laden and his top deputies for a decade has been disbanded, according to a published report. Citing unnamed intelligence officials, The New York Times reported Tuesday that the unit, known as "Alec Station," was shut down late last year. The decision to close the unit, which predated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, was first reported Monday by National Public Radio. (Source: Associated Press, July 4, 2006)
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Bush Tells Barnes Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’
 
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If those little boats were a threat, they would have been taken out long before they got that close, U.S battle cruisers have an incredible range and multiple target locking batteries. They be looking for a bruising if they mess with a cruiser!
 
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