US warships frightened by Iranian boats; War of Terror; US foreign policy, etc...

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Taxes didn't have that much to do with the American Revolution.

The oppression backing colonial capitalism was severe, though.

The more similar circumstances would not be places like Denmark, with high taxes, but places like Bolivia, under foreign oppression.

otheadp said:
But in reality
The theory goes that eventually, as the savages get more familiar with the concept and workings of democracy, even if it's their special brand of it, their level of barbarity will go down, and their respect for the rule of law (and not for the iron fist) will go up. That's what will eventually happen if a nutjob government is democratically elected.
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Too bad Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, etc, didn't get to spend a bit more time on the learning curve, eh?

Do you suppose Israel is regressing, in their level of barbarity ? Or are they still in the improving stage,merely a bit slower than expected ?
 
Taxes didn't have that much to do with the American Revolution.
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"No taxation without representation" -- ever heard of that one?

Too bad Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, etc, didn't get to spend a bit more time on the learning curve, eh?
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Have you read my post at all, or did you just breeze through it, looking for the main points?
Each of the names you mention would require its own paragraph. I suggest you go back to my original post and read all the qualifiers I put to clarify everything...
 
Buffalo Roam said:
But rooted in the Shiite ideology of martyrdom and violence, the Hojjatieh sect adds messianic and apocalyptic elements to an already volatile theology. They believe that chaos and bloodshed must precede the return of the 12th Imam, called the Mahdi. But unlike the biblical apocalypse, where the return of Jesus is preceded by waves of divinely decreed natural disasters, the summoning of the Mahdi through chaos and violence is wholly in the realm of human action. The Hojjatieh faith puts inordinate stress on the human ability to direct divinely appointed events. By creating the apocalyptic chaos, the Hojjatiehs believe it is entirely in the power of believers to affect the Mahdi’s reappearance, the institution of Islamic government worldwide, and the destruction of all competing faiths.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has clearly indicated that he is a true believer in this faith. It has been reported that he has told confidants that he anticipates the immanent return of the Mahdi. When he previously served as Mayor of Tehran, he advocated for widening the roads to accommodate the Mahdi’s triumphal entry into the city. One of his first acts of office as President was to dedicate approximately $20 million to the restoration and improvement of the mosque at Jamkaran, where the Mahdi is claimed to dwell.



This personal belief directs his official policies as President. He has publicly said, “Our revolution’s main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi. We should define our economic, cultural and political policies on the policy of the Imam Mahdi’s return.”
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• Apocalypse preacher, Rapture writer, and evangelical lunatics advise White House on Middle East
• Bush considers God a key political ally

http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=159

http://www.bushwatch.com/evangelist.htm

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Are you Rapture Ready?



http://www.raptureready.com/time/rap31.html

:crazy:

Talk about nuts with nuclear weapons.
 
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otheadp said:
"No taxation without representation" -- ever heard of that one?
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Yeah. Only I've noticed people overlook what was the main factor at the time - the representation.

The most heavily taxed people in the American Colonies were the ones most likely to be Loyalists, when the shooting started. But (being comparatively wealthy capitalistic businessmen) they had representation - the Crown was attending to their interests, more.
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Each of the names you mention would require its own paragraph.
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Each of them had quasi-democracies undermined and overthrown by the US/Israel, and have now democratic movements or even elected governments violently opposed by the US/Israel.

I'm just tracking the idea that some of the people involved are "savages", and some aren't.
 
iceaura said:
Each of them had quasi-democracies undermined and overthrown by the US/Israel, and have now democratic movements or even elected governments violently opposed by the US/Israel.
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I'm looking forward to reading your arguments how they were quasi-democracies :)

* Iran - post Shah = one big dictatorship
* Iraq - Saddam, quasi-democratic???
* Lebanon - post civil war = sort of democratic until Iran (via Hizballah) interfered.
* PA - are you joking me? Arafat running a quasi-democracy?
 
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I'm looking forward to reading your arguments how they were quasi-democracies
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I'm looking forward to you spending twenty minutes of your own time at Wikipedia, rather than bouncing this thread.
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Does anyone know if the long piracy traditions in the area, involving fast little boats jacking passersby, are at all involved in something like this ? Same people, government connections, etc ?
 
iceaura said:
The most heavily taxed people in the American Colonies were the ones most likely to be Loyalists, when the shooting started. But (being comparatively wealthy capitalistic businessmen) they had representation - the Crown was attending to their interests, more.
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George Washington was one the colonies largest land-owners at the time the Revolutionary War broke out. The Adams' were successful businessmen. And men like Hamilton and Franklin weren't exactly poor, either.
 
stretched said:
"Bush: Iran a threat to peace"
(http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2249006,00.html)

"US 'fabricated' footage"
(http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2248873,00.html)

"If you believe Iran “harassed” US ships, you have forgotten USS Vincennes"
(http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1586)

This is on the (well known) Bush agenda before he exits. Gather public support by creating "incidences". Not the first, and it won`t be the last.
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I read that too:
Iran's Defence Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar on Wednesday called Western news reports reporting that the boats threatened to blow up the US warships "mischief".

"(Iranian) Navy units ... asked them to identify themselves. They responded accordingly and continued their path," the official IRNA news agency quoted Najjar as saying.

He also reiterated previous comments made by Iran's Foreign Ministry, downplaying the incident by calling it something that occurs normally.

"The identification of vessels passing through the Strait of Hormuz by Iranian Navy units is a natural occurrence," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying.

"Islamic Republic of Iran Navy units always put questions to passing vessels and warships at the Strait of Hormuz and they need to identify themselves. This is in accordance with the normal procedures."
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RE: small boats.


I think they were probably pinging the US navy to see what sort of response they could provoke and to see what sort of equipment they could measure.

Michael
 
Michael said:
It's rather funny what some people will believe about other humans.
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I agree, quite :crazy:
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Al Miraj? Say it out loud.

Some people believe we are alien seeds.

Others that Buddhists are peaceful people.

Apparently it is normal protocol for Iranian naval boats to ask ships in the Strait to identify themselves.

The Iranians claim the US fabricated the story and video.

Hmm, who shall we believe?
 
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agressive maneuvers is what i see in the message thingy
well the usa are trained to percieve whats agressive and they can counter attack if they are threatened

yet they did or didnt
why didnt they counter attack are they so dedicated and waiting for response
whats gonna happen next
 
i reckon blow the fuckers off the face of the earth and i reckon australia should send every son of a bitch that comes from that country back home
this is an out rage
they should never threaten innocent people just doing there bloody job
 
if they wanna dance they can get a good one from autralia we arent nice people
and there kids well as you all know aussie depts love tampering with kids
there kids will have no safety from australian dept's if this goes on they will spread over there take what they want total wipe out and very very nastily that would make one sick to their stomach makes me sick so how they gonna handle that over there
war will make em broke they will have no choice but give up
they dont want that no one does

and then theres the cost of energy negative enrgy if its manipulated so easily would they have a chance to fight against critical mass as it builds up now with devastation after devastation would they have the knowledge to cope with things like moth man to ones perception or angels that can manipulate this energy
it would be devastation and a mockery to think they will play with such a thing
and if they think they can play with fire and not get burnt well im sorry it dont work that way
i guess there is reasons for things going on in this world sumtimes good things havt to come to an end
if they keep persisting on annoying me then they will believe in imaginary diseases
they will suffer great satisfacion for my eyes to have sumthing to watch and laugh at instead of silly aussies believing in stuff they cant get out of
im pretty much think neither can those idiots over there threatening innocent people doing a job
 
S.A.M. said:
Its amazing how cowardly the Americans are without their gadgets and buttons to give them distance and safety.

These were speedboats passing by warships.

I wonder if they crapped their pants. :D
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sam, you are a complete ass.
 
Frightened is probably not the correct term. Concerned perhaps, that they might have to fire on some extremely foolish people.
 
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