Originally posted by jps
but it all started out as I said, from mutual interests.
Not exactly , lobbying and convincing Jews and others in influential positions to fight for your case was there before Israel existed to become a mutual interest . Mutual interest was rather artificial at the beginning .
it would be very difficult for the US to extricate itself from its relationship with Israel at this point. If the US suddenly decided that, say, Egypt would now have the special relationship formerly reserved for Israel and Israel woudl only recieve US support if it agreed to abide by international human rights laws, we'd have created a hostile country with a large well trained and well armed army, nuclear weapons, and a hatred for all the surrounding countries. This, combined with, the significant zionist influence in the US is the reason that we continue to support Israel.
I agree it would be rather impossible to have sucha power on the loose as an enemy , however long before situations similar to this are even
considered to be imagined as some scenario , the ball is pushed into favoring Israel as much as possible .
You should not only see it as a lobbying issue , but as an economical issue and an issue that invloves media . The media demands zionism and the economy demands zionism , such powers bring non-zionists who even
do care into the path that benefits zionism .
It is not merely a governmental issue , that is only administrative the power relies on more things and has centre in the economy .
For instance in New York City , where I believe you are from , the power that zionist-favorists (who here indeed for a very large identify with Jews) have on the markets is beyond amazement .
NYC's demography shows this power is only natural , considering the social identity of those who would push for zionism .
Such things play a much larger role in support for zionism than what is being administrated by a government , which aside of their relative importance is filled with zionists , bringing us to your point :
This is far from the same as saying that Zionists run the US govt.
We can take a look at the results of influence as we have done , and see that zionists merely push for certain areas , and that mutual interests play a large role , but if we would look at for instance
this administration , we would see that after our friend Ari left us it is still
filled on the positions that matter .
So in howfar can we or can we not speak of controll if these are the peoples included to run the show ? :
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary, Department of Defense
Richard Perle - Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy.
Josh Bolten - Deputy Chief of Staff
Ken Melman - White House Political Director
Jay Lefkowitz - Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council
David Frum - Speechwriter
Brad Blakeman - White House Director of Scheduling
Dov Zakheim - Undersecretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby - Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Adam Goldman - White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Elliott Abrams - Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations
Douglas Feith - Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Daniel Kurtzer - Ambassador to Israel
And it's not really a republikan/democrat thing , 1/3 of Bill's administration was zionist as well .
Do they controll the US government ? Only where necesarry . And of that necesity they have full controll , be it directly be it through sympatisants .
Another jew !!! Did your mighty army stopped the intifada ? did your nazi prime minister stopped the 'self-sacrifice martyers' ??