Thought Transference

[scheherazade]

That early contact is something called desensitisation. We tried it too, rubbing the new born foal all over. Somehow they never forget what happened at that age.
We bought a wild horse that had been running free (like a brumby but in NZ they are called Kaimanawas for that is the region they are running wild).
Once he settled a little, I sent the "mind transference" message to him that if he behaved we would look after him for life. Basically there was a feeling for him akin to “love”. Strongest emotion I have felt for any living thing actually.
I bet you know what I’m talking about. It must be from the years of bonding between horse and man; how we conquered the Earth together. They are a part of the world as much as we are. Think of the battles they fought with us, and work they've done.
Maybe it’s just me being such a romantic… but it was true.

'Imprinting' is another name for the technique you describe, and it is highly effective with horses. The information that they absorb in the first hour of life can have a lasting effect on their ability to adapt to new situations and challenges thereafter.

Many historians credit the horse for mankind's rapid expansion throughout the globe. Prior to the invention of machinery, the horse WAS the engine of human industry, enabling travel, agriculture, nourishment and sadly, war. The horse figured largely in the women's movement also, as the early birth control pills and hormone therapies were made from pregnant mare urine.

Other domesticated species have contributed greatly as well, but the horse has traveled the long road with us, in more ways than most. The bloodlines of many horses has been more accurately recorded than the family history of most people!

Horses are incredibly tactile and when we ride them and handle them, this direct contact of the bio-electric energy that we share is easily mixed. I do not work with my horses if I am emotionally distressed because they are confused by such turmoil. They are very sensitive creatures indeed, in my observation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYsuZ5D-q-M

 

[scheherazade]

Nice Bond.. I've had horses and I've had dogs, but dogs can not replicate humour the way a horse can.

I'd often sit in the corner of the arena reading on my bucket seat, when Peggy would decide to play her game. She would start to charge right at me like she was not going to stop. When she got to about 10 feet away I'd fall off the bucket, and then she would brake and turn, and laugh. If you ever saw a horse laugh it's when she could knock me off my bucket.
My wife was the jumper and trainer, and I'd often just be a mucker and driver, so I didn't have the courage to stand up against a charging horse, and she got me off that bucket more times than I'd like to admit. My tiny wife would stand right up to them as if she were twice their size, but they are damn big animals. We are now divorced and she teaches racehorses full-time at a track near Toronto.
Once in a while I'd start racing them somewhere and made sure I had a good head start. I never did win any of those races either.

There is a researcher who does psychic research with animals (Rupert Sheldrake). His work is good for people who need convincing telepathy is a real thing. They would record how some animals could sense their owners arrival, and was careful to rule out timing, etc. He did another experiment with homing pigeons where he moved their home further and further away while they were out flying.

His work is fun. I have never seen a positive psychic test with an animal first-hand, but believe it is possible.

LOL....Yes, horses have a devilishly well developed sense of humor, indeed.

One of my young female students was mucking out the pen of a particularly bossy little Morgan mare, who was rather affronted that this girl was moving her carefully placed 'markers'. She was invading the girl's space and coming between her in her path to remove the manure.

I counseled her to turn quickly when she knew the mare was sneaking up, and to make herself large by holding the plastic manure fork up high and in from of her, while giving forth a loud bellow at the same time.

My student did precisely as instructed and the surprised mare scrambled backwards so quickly that she slipped a hoof and landed on her arse, lol... With what dignity she could muster, the mare got quickly to her feet and never bothered my student while she was at her chores from that day forward.

I surely wished I had a camera on hand for that 'Kodak Moment.'

 

[Search & Destroy]

Even upon immediately awakening, there are very seldom any lingering thoughts. The few times that I have had intense dreams, I can recall them, though they occurred years ago. Of course I must dream, but I do not often recall even a hint. I have experienced several concussions in life and wonder if that may also be a factor?

No no, trust me you are dreaming vividly every night. You don't recall them because you don't remember them. Your memory has been conditioned to not store them. But 2 weeks of writing them will activate everything back up and you will be remembering your dreams again. I guarantee it.

A funny thing about dream memory, is the moment you wake up you usually will recall even a moment or a few seconds of dream memory. But just 10 minutes later when thinking about it the memory can be so completely gone, that you never recalled even a moment of it.

Keeping a journal next to your bed, that you can write down everything you about your dream right away is critical. It takes 10 minutes a day, and after two weeks you can spend 1/2 hour writing down your dreams if you want.

Good luck with that, lol.... Cats interact on their own terms. It is far more likely that the cat will influence you to do something peculiar.

I think cats can be trained just like dogs. They are very smart, and if you have something they want you can teach them through repetition / trigger / reward system.

Your experience with horses is obviously super good. The way you describe them reminds me a lot of my experience with animals. When you are 'in the zone' with the animal, time seems to be gone and you feel super alert as to how the animal is feeling. That is the Goldilocks zone of animal training - when some optimal level of understanding and communication can take place.

A lot of people have great success visualizing future plans. Humans have strong 'mental-sketchpads' and I've heard and used a few really powerful visualization techniques to remember lists of items. Anyway, I wonder what effect the visualization really has on your training.

 

[scheherazade]

No no, trust me you are dreaming vividly every night. You don't recall them because you don't remember them. Your memory has been conditioned to not store them. But 2 weeks of writing them will activate everything back up and you will be remembering your dreams again. I guarantee it.

A funny thing about dream memory, is the moment you wake up you usually will recall even a moment or a few seconds of dream memory. But just 10 minutes later when thinking about it the memory can be so completely gone, that you never recalled even a moment of it.

Keeping a journal next to your bed, that you can write down everything you about your dream right away is critical. It takes 10 minutes a day, and after two weeks you can spend 1/2 hour writing down your dreams if you want.

I am quite interested in the whole dream study concept and I have kept a pad and pen by the bed, but I have been trying to tell you that there is nothing to write down. I usually wake up a few minutes before my alarm is set to go off (good internal sense of time) register the fact, and after briefly checking my brain for any residual thoughts, it is up and at 'em.

I suppose I could write down the words, "No dreams stored in memory". :shrug:

I think cats can be trained just like dogs. They are very smart, and if you have something they want you can teach them through repetition / trigger / reward system.

I taught one cat to sit up for his treats. They are very intelligent animals and ours are very good at communicating their desires without meowing. I appreciate that as I have encountered some cats with most annoying tonal quality.

Your experience with horses is obviously super good. The way you describe them reminds me a lot of my experience with animals. When you are 'in the zone' with the animal, time seems to be gone and you feel super alert as to how the animal is feeling. That is the Goldilocks zone of animal training - when some optimal level of understanding and communication can take place.

A lot of people have great success visualizing future plans. Humans have strong 'mental-sketchpads' and I've heard and used a few really powerful visualization techniques to remember lists of items. Anyway, I wonder what effect the visualization really has on your training.

That is my current area of personal research as I have many years of using 'conventional training methods' to compare the results to. Horses can easily be taught 'conditioned response' for most applications, and this is one way to make them safe for the average person, who is anything but intelligent in how they act around horses. All of my former horses were 'school masters' and very trustworthy in the care of people.

The horses I am working with now are for my own interests and pleasure and we are pursuing new directions. I do a bit of endurance riding, among other things, and I generally travel alone. My horses are generally more fit than those owned by the standard 'ring riders'. Not knocking it, just saying....my years of babysitting are done. There's a lot of new ground still to cover.

 

[Robittybob1]

Fascinating thread. Imprinting - that is right I had forgotten the right term for it. What new ground is there to cover? What country?

 

[scheherazade]

Fascinating thread. Imprinting - that is right I had forgotten the right term for it. What new ground is there to cover? What country?

I am presently working with three very intelligent horses, two full sisters and my young gelding is the foal of one of the mares.

The new ground that I refer to is metaphorical in part, the potential of the mind of this young horse, who may well be the most unique animal to cross my path.

There is plenty of new ground still to be explored in the Yukon. Most people do not stray far from the beaten path, but with a good horse beneath you, one is not restricted to following trails.

The Morgan breed is renown for it's stamina and excellent feet. They are the ultimate all-terrain transportation. Nature's own 4x4.

I am fortunate to live where I can saddle my horse and ride off in any number of directions to explore for an hour, or all day. That's becoming a rarity in today's world.

 

[origin]

I am presently working with three very intelligent horses, two full sisters and my young gelding is the foal of one of the mares.

I have 2 horses that my daughter and I ride - mostly trail riding. Isn't 'intelligent horses' an oxymoron? Just kidding (kinda), as a horse owner you know what I mean. I really like our horses and my daughter's horse actually is rather smart (for a horse), mine on the other hand is sort of an eh duh bruiser. He is well trained and wants to please just not real sharp...

This may seem off topic but I think that I am discussing this because of some kind of thought transference.

 

[scheherazade]

I have 2 horses that my daughter and I ride - mostly trail riding. Isn't 'intelligent horses' an oxymoron? Just kidding (kinda), as a horse owner you know what I mean. I really like our horses and my daughter's horse actually is rather smart (for a horse), mine on the other hand is sort of an eh duh bruiser. He is well trained and wants to please just not real sharp...

This may seem off topic but I think that I am discussing this because of some kind of thought transference.

Having worked with quite a number of horses and observed countless more at every opportunity, I would suggest that it is in large part our training of the horse that turns many of them into 'eh, duh, bruiser' sorts. There is also an observable difference in personality among horses as there is in people.

Conditioned response training predominantly turns out horses that are safe for unskilled humans, IMO. We expect the horse to be well enough trained that any dummy getting onto it will be at least moderately safe and that the horse will tolerate being pulled around by the face and kicked in the ribs.

Certainly, not all horses are equally interested in trying to understand humans, but then again, the majority of our species are not exactly rocket scientists either.

I just happen to be working with three horses that demonstrate above average interest in interacting with humans.

Last winter was too cold for much riding, so instead we worked on learning a trick. This mare (Madelaine) observed me teaching her sister and picked up on the concept within a few lessons.

Here I am teaching a gentleman who is a bit apprehensive of horses in the proper position and signal for the stage of learning that the horse is at. The horse was very patient with the fellow and his reward was the the interaction greatly reduced his nervousness of THIS horse.

Yukon's Handyman, or Handy for short, is also learning this parlor trick. He hasn't quite figured out how to kneel, but here he is doing a commendable bow.

The horses are trained without restraint using horse treats as an incentive at a time of day when they are most relaxed and receptive to interaction and new ideas, usually early to mid-afternoon being the best time, depending on the weather.

Horses are naturally apprehensive at dawn and dusk because that is when predators are on the move. Windy weather interferes with their ability to hear and scent danger and so they will be more easily distracted by such.

 

[Robittybob1]

That last photo makes me smile - makes the horse look like a picture of Eeyore from the Whinnie the Pooh series.

 

[Pincho Paxton]

I think cats can be trained just like dogs. They are very smart, and if you have something they want you can teach them through repetition / trigger / reward system.

My cat can talk a bit. It knows how to say these words..

Dinner (meat food)
Mouse (Biscuits. I changed the word to mouse to make it easier to say)
Hello
On There (Means go there, like jump on a chair, or put food in bowl. I taught the cat to jump on the chair, the cat started saying the command)
Clara (My daughter's name)
Phone (Cat tells me when the phone is ringing)

It sometimes joins the words together as well, and can add some expression to the voice, like a sad version of MOUSE if I don't give it any.

 

[scheherazade]

That last photo makes me smile - makes the horse look like a picture of Eeyore from the Whinnie the Pooh series.

LOL......He's very young and trying to please. He is performing a bow while the mares are performing the kneel.

 

[AlexG]

These two share thoughts. How do they know who's is who's?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ned-conjoined-twins-share-brain-thoughts.html

 

[Robittybob1]

These two share thoughts. How do they know who's is who's?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ned-conjoined-twins-share-brain-thoughts.html

I like their smiles.
Amazing that they keep on smiling ...

PS: surprising caption on that article "Doctors stunned by the twins who share the same brain, can hear each other's thoughts and see through each other's eyes"

They can see through each other's eyes!

 

[Aqueous Id]

YIKES!

(That really harshed Scheh's mellow.)

Nothing 'occult', merely subliminal awareness.

One of my favorite forms of mischief is to observe a dog or horse with it's human, and send complimentary thoughts to the animal in a reassuring thought. "Oh, aren't you a fine looking fellow. What a nice dog/horse etc."

Beautiful pictures, Scheh. Just awesome.

As for the transference with animals, it was good you brought this up, because it adds realism. We all have experienced a sense of communicating with animals just by looking at them. Dogs seem particularly sensitive to eye contact.

Whatever the animals are doing, to some extent they are manipulating us, to get food. In any case, they also seem to be capable of communicating with each other in strange inaudible ways.

I think "telepathy" is a fad concept that draws a lot from imagined feelings and ideas and to some extent from the subtle and mysterious aspects of nature that defy explanation.

Because I don't believe in telepathy, I would use a different term for Scheh's example, something like horse-whispering. Call it...I don't know...animanipulation? It probably has a name, I can't think of the right term. For lack of a better word, I will say "empathy". (Differentiating this from its usual sense.)

This kind of empathy would seem to arise deeper than the speech area of the brain, maybe midbrain. I'm making this inference, assuming it exists in lower animals that lack the evolved cerebrum.

That would be about as close as I could come to ascribing a causal connection between the brain and the phenomenon. There is nothing but pure speculation about the mind-brain interface, but it does seem to be electrical in nature, at least that's the observed syndrome.

The electron itself - does it not "vanish" from reality and operate under the uncertainty principle? In this sense, the electron itself is "paranormal". Is this what sentience is - a state of being, "instantiated" under the "paranormal" properties of the electron?

 

[scheherazade]

Perhaps the conjoined twins pictured will continue to provide us with ongoing information of the means of communication that our body has as we interface with our environment. We are only just beginning to grasp some of the 'magical' properties of the energy which animates our biology. It's all science, just science that we are in the process of learning about.

I had an interesting experience today. I clambered onto the back of the young horse shown in the third picture, bareback, with only a halter rope and he was totally accepting of the very tactile situation, which is in direct contravention of his survival instinct. Encumbered by winter boots, parka and several layers, I was NOT a thing of litheness and grace, lol, , yet he moved not at all. Part of my awkwardness on the first mount was precipitated by my position in observing his reaction, in case it was prudent to abort the attempt. I just sat on top of him once I had swung my leg over, allowing him to inspect my boots while practicing my breathing exercises.

After a couple of minutes, I gently pulled on the halter until he turned his neck to the left in response and then waited until he moved to straighten his body by taking one step. I repeated this several times and then dismounted.

I next worked him at liberty inside the 50 foot diameter round enclosure (aptly called a round pen) until he had traveled just over 1 kilometer. Then I got back on him once more (with a little more alacrity as he had demonstrated trust) and within two minutes we were walking around inside the pen, a lap or two in each direction. End of lesson. Handy (his name) is still too young to be doing much work, yet it is he who is indicating a desire to interact. He observes me intently whenever I am in view, and seems very interested in whatever I am doing, even if he is eating at the time. His perception exceeds that of the considerable number of other horses that I have worked with.

The whole time that I am working with this horse, I am consciously thinking in pictures of what I am going to do next. I do this preliminary work without other people and distractions around, inside a controlled environment to start. (For insurance purposes, the body will be easy to find, in the event that my 'experiment' goes wrong, lol... ).

 

[Quantum Quack]

Perhaps the conjoined twins pictured will continue to provide us with ongoing information of the means of communication that our body has as we interface with our environment. We are only just beginning to grasp some of the 'magical' properties of the energy which animates our biology. It's all science, just science that we are in the process of learning about.

I had an interesting experience today. I clambered onto the back of the young horse shown in the third picture, bareback, with only a halter rope and he was totally accepting of the very tactile situation, which is in direct contravention of his survival instinct. Encumbered by winter boots, parka and several layers, I was NOT a thing of litheness and grace, lol, , yet he moved not at all. Part of my awkwardness on the first mount was precipitated by my position in observing his reaction, in case it was prudent to abort the attempt. I just sat on top of him once I had swung my leg over, allowing him to inspect my boots while practicing my breathing exercises.

After a couple of minutes, I gently pulled on the halter until he turned his neck to the left in response and then waited until he moved to straighten his body by taking one step. I repeated this several times and then dismounted.

I next worked him at liberty inside the 50 foot diameter round enclosure (aptly called a round pen) until he had traveled just over 1 kilometer. Then I got back on him once more (with a little more alacrity as he had demonstrated trust) and within two minutes we were walking around inside the pen, a lap or two in each direction. End of lesson. Handy (his name) is still too young to be doing much work, yet it is he who is indicating a desire to interact. He observes me intently whenever I am in view, and seems very interested in whatever I am doing, even if he is eating at the time. His perception exceeds that of the considerable number of other horses that I have worked with.

The whole time that I am working with this horse, I am consciously thinking in pictures of what I am going to do next. I do this preliminary work without other people and distractions around, inside a controlled environment to start. (For insurance purposes, the body will be easy to find, in the event that my 'experiment' goes wrong, lol... ).

looking at the marvelous photos and reading the above I get the feelign that the horse is picking up on your rationality and therefore predictability. Like humans they are not comfortable around unpredictable and irrational people. I feel that if you have the right affinity and are very rational [ therefore confident] about your approach to the horses needs they can be receptive an dquite calmed by your presense if not even feeling protected by you... just a guess...
Have found that most animals I have had dealings with [ including humans ] are most receptive when they feel secure in their certainty of your behavour and motivation and it is obvious to me in the pictures you are most adept with horses and people for that matter.

 

[Quantum Quack]

this photo says it all...for me...
a beautifully "symbiotic" relationship between two equals even though one is leading.