Theists: Are you here to defend theism, or to convert people?

[Mind Over Matter]

Hilarious! Absolutely hilarious. Really.
You make accusations but you haven't bothered to check their validity?
Oh my! Possibly the funniest post I've read this week. Thanks for that.

Maybe, in future, you could try integrity. It works wonders.

You're the one who accused Adstar.

 

[Dywyddyr]

You're the one who accused Adstar.

And supported it.
Keep trying...

 

[Jan Ardena]

I wonder why?
Maybe it's because you lie.


Link please, because you haven't done so in this thread.


And back to the diversion again.

Hmm! Maybe you're a hateful person?
Show where I lie?


Link not necessary, as it is a matter of common sense, plus I see
no physical reason why distinctions should take place.


I'm not diverting. You asked a question and I answered it.
Are you going to respond to my point?
If not, why not?

jan.

 

[kx000]

Hmm! Maybe you're a hateful person?
Show where I lie?


Link not necessary, as it is a matter of common sense, plus I see
no physical reason why distinctions should take place.


I'm not diverting. You asked a question and I answered it.
Are you going to respond to my point?
If not, why not?

jan.

Im lost. It seems like you guys just keep telling to answer each others questions.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Hmm! Maybe you're a hateful person?
Show where I lie?

Here:

I've already supported it.

Link not necessary, as it is a matter of common sense

Wrong. And wrong.
In other words you're now admitting you haven't supported it.

plus I see no physical reason why distinctions should take place.

Oh right. You're correct because you can't see how you could be wrong.

I'm not diverting. You asked a question and I answered it.
Are you going to respond to my point?
If not, why not?

You haven't answered it.
And, one more time: since you made the claim it's up to you to support it.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Im lost. It seems like you guys just keep telling to answer each others questions.

It's quite simple - Jan made a claim in post #63:

There is no distinction between theist and scientific learners.

which he has failed to support.

In fact, not only has he failed to support it he's lied about doing so (post #96)

I've already supported it.

and then claimed that it doesn't need supporting (post #103)

it is a matter of common sense

Oh, and he's been linked to a refutation (which he keeps asking for) in post #66
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=108355

 

[Jan Ardena]

Dywyddyr

Wrong. And wrong.
In other words you're now admitting you haven't supported it.

In that case I don't understand what you mean by ''supported it''
That doesn't mean I'm lieing.

Oh right. You're correct because you can't see how you could be wrong.

No.
I'm expressing my point of view.
But if you can show me differently (as I've requested), I'm prepared to change it.

You haven't answered it.
And, one more time: since you made the claim it's up to you to support it.

I've given what I regard as an answer to the claim I made.
For the last time, if you can prove me wrong, or at least give some kind of argument or reasoning which is better, I'm perfectly willing to change my mind.

jan.

 

[kx000]

Im theist, Dywyddyr is science man. The similarity is were both thinkers, or claim to be. He is logical in every way, I am logical, but when it comes to God I hold onto faith. That is the distinction. My logic in God is all based off the assumption (faith) he exist, if God is proven false, (which is impossible) my house of cards will come crushing down on me.

 

[Dywyddyr]

In that case I don't understand what you mean by ''supported it''

Support: provide evidence for. Back up with facts. Make it something other than a personal opinion.
How long have you been posting here? And you claim you don't know what "support" means.

That doesn't mean I'm lieing.

No?
You claim to have supported your argument. You haven't done so. It's that simple.

I'm expressing my point of view.

And failing to show how you come to that poiint of view. failing to show what leads you to that point of view. Failing to substantiate it. I.e. you might as well have just pulled it out of your hat.

But if you can show me differently (as I've requested), I'm prepared to change it.

You have read the forum rules? You have read my comments about YOU making the claim therefore you're expected to support it?
And Signal pointed you toward a thread that DOES show you differently.

I've given what I regard as an answer to the claim I made.

Really? Which of the "answers" am I supposed to accept?
It doesn't need supporting because it's common sense?
Or
You can't see the distibnction should take place?

Neither of which holds up.

For the last if you can prove me wrong, or at least give some kind of argument or reasoning which is better, I'm perfectly willing to change my mind.

Fail again.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Im theist, Dywyddyr is science man. The similarity is were both thinkers, or claim to be. He is logical in every way, I am logical, but when it comes to God I hold onto faith. That is the distinction. My logic in God is all based off the assumption (faith) he exist, if God is proven false, (which is impossible) my house of cards will come crushing down on me.

When it comes to believing in God, yes. But believing in God doesn't stop a theist from learning science, or being logical. The external world and it's workings are actually the same.

jan.

 

[kx000]

When it comes to believing in God, yes. But believing in God doesn't stop a theist from learning science, or being logical. The external world and it's workings are actually the same.

jan.

Yea but were discussing God. There is a strict distinction between theist, and science learners when it comes to God. Sciencer's refuse to accept an assumption as fact, and this is ok. But my faith strictly says that faith is necessary.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Support: provide evidence for. Back up with facts. Make it something other than a personal opinion.
How long have you been posting here? And you claim you don't know what "support" means.


No?
You claim to have supported your argument. You haven't done so. It's that simple.


And failing to show how you come to that poiint of view. failing to show what leads you to that point of view. Failing to substantiate it. I.e. you might as well have just pulled it out of your hat.


You have read the forum rules? You have read my comments about YOU making the claim therefore you're expected to support it?
And Signal pointed you toward a thread that DOES show you differently.


Really? Which of the "answers" am I supposed to accept?
It doesn't need supporting because it's common sense?
Or
You can't see the distibnction should take place?

Neither of which holds up.


Fail again.

It's obviously alot of trouble to you contradict my answer.

Bye.


jan.

 

[kx000]

It's obviously alot of trouble to you contradict my answer.

Bye.


jan.

As it is for you to me.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Yea but were discussing God. There is a strict distinction between theist, and science learners when it comes to God. Sciencer's refuse to accept an assumption as fact, and this is ok. But my faith strictly says that faith is necessary.

I'm in agreement with that answer.
I'll respond to your other response shortly.

jan.

 

[Dywyddyr]

It's obviously alot of trouble to you contradict my answer.

And even more for you to support your claim.
You haven't provided an answer, but your claim has been refuted.

 

[Dywyddyr]

I'm in agreement with that answer.

So you were wrong?
Well done.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Im lost. It seems like you guys just keep telling to answer each others questions.

I've already answered his question.
He'll be prepared to go on and on and on, making out I haven't.
It's some kind of tactic. For what I'm not sure, but I've got a couple of ideas.

jan.

 

[Jan Ardena]

So you were wrong?
Well done.

Fair enough.
Why was I?

jan.

 

[Dywyddyr]

I've already answered his question.

Lie. As shown

It's some kind of tactic. For what I'm not sure, but I've got a couple of ideas.

Wrong and wrong.

Fair enough.
Why was I?

Pardon?

There is a strict distinction between theist, and science learners

I'm in agreement with that answer.

If you agree there's a distinction then that's an admission you were wrong in claiming there's no distinction.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Dwy..

When it comes to believing in God, yes.

Yea but were discussing God. There is a strict distinction between theist, and science learners when it comes to God.

If you think this makes my ''there is no distinction between theists and science learners'' wrong, be my guest.

jan.