Theist tries to tell atheists what they believe

[Trek]

Exactly what we're asking you.
What makes you think your idea of God is correct?

Stop deflecting and make a serious attempt to answer that question.
Lift the veil of atheism in truth and honesty, and see what happens.
Go look at some of your fellow atheists who lifted the veil.

 

[Trek]

Show us or stand as a charlatan.

lol!!

 

[Trek]

Preach. Plug your ears. Say your mantra. Drown out the thinking.

That is your atheism kicking in.
It’s not natural

 

[DaveC426913]

Stop deflecting and make a serious attempt to answer that question.
Lift the veil of atheism in truth and honesty, and see what happens.
Go look at some of your fellow atheists who lifted the veil.

I did address the question: It is of the form "Have you stopped beating your wife yet."

It is impossible for me to provide evidence for something I have no evidence for. That you ask, means you are having great trouble following logic.

 

[DaveC426913]

That is your atheism kicking in.
It’s not natural

This is called gaslighting. It is a logical fallacy, and is rejected outright. But if it helps you sleep at night...

It's really very simple.

You, as a believer in God, are here making a claim that he objectively exists, meaning - not just for you - but for us too.
You have the onus to present your evidence that this claim is true.
Until you do so, the case is not made.
It's as simple as that.

Everything else you say is an attempt to dodge that central issue.

Why do you not share this with us? Is it perhaps because it's not convincing?

 

[Trek]

No I don't.
You need to provide your evidence.

The evidence isn’t intellectual.
You have take steps toward it.
Go look at some former atheists testimony to get a glimpse of how they explain ther journey.
It is a living thing.
It changes you from the core.
You see life differently.
It’s not just one thing

 

[DaveC426913]

The evidence isn’t intellectual.
You have take steps toward it.

Ah. It's foggy and hand-wavey. Got it.

So it's not objective; it's subjective. You can't show it to me.

So how do you know it's not a hallucination? What makes you convinced it's objectively real - i.e outside your own head?

Go look at some former atheists testimony to get a glimpse of how they explain ther journey.

No, you are here, making the claim. They are not.

It is a living thing.
It changes you from the core.
You see life differently.
It’s not just one thing

Ah. So I have to be indoctrinated. Got it.

 

[Trek]

Ah. It's foggy and hand-wavey. Got it.

So it's not objective; it's subjective. You can't show it to me.

Well it’s not in the same category as “normal evidence’ for obvious reasons.
Ultimately it doesn’t matter that you prefer the murky glass. So you can continue convincing yourself your little intellect has triumphed

No, you are here, making the claim. They are not.

Sorry I thought you were interested in find real evidence for God.
But you’ve already given us your concoction, so no need to pursue. Hey!

Ah. So I have to be indoctrinated. Got it.

Your atheism is kicking in again.
Don’t worry about it.
You’re better of looking through the murky glass window.
Good night guys!

 

[DaveC426913]

So you can continue convincing yourself your little intellect has triumphed

Will do. Thanks for the nod.

Sorry I thought you were interested in find real evidence for God.

You were going to produce objective evidence, right? To be sure it's not just in your head?

Because, while you might be certain God exists for you; you cannot know he exists outside your head, can you?

I can certainly accept that God exists in your head (and in some other people's heads).
Can you? Or is it important for your claim that it be more broad than that?

 

[Trek]

You were going to produce objective evidence, right? To be sure it's not just in your head?

Had to come out of retirement for this one..
Why do you think that there is something outside of God?

What makes you think that only “objective evidence” is the only way for God to be considered real?

This what I mean about your dishonesty.
You’re asking for evidence of God, but you erect a straw man God, and decide this is the God you must give evidence for.
Your whole ideology is wrapped up in that small intellect. By small I don’t mean you are not smart and qualified in certain academic fields, but small in what you actually know, or have forgotten. And that goes for all of us.

 

[DaveC426913]

Had to come out of retirement for this one..

I knew you would.

Why do you think that there is something outside of God?

I said nothing about this. This follows from nothing I've said.

What makes you think that only “objective evidence” is the only way for God to be considered real?

I just ask how you know it's not just in your head. That's the point of objective evidence; without it, you can't be sure it's not just an active imagination or a hallucination.

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You’re asking for evidence of God, but you erect a straw man God, and decide this is the God you must give evidence for.

Throw away my straw man god or whatever you think I'm doing.

Let's use yours.

You've been asked for evidence that it lives outside your head. Do you have any or not?

Why are you dodging?

 

[DaveC426913]

The evidence isn’t intellectual.
You have take steps toward it.
Go look at some former atheists testimony to get a glimpse of how they explain ther journey.
It is a living thing.
It changes you from the core.
You see life differently.
It’s not just one thing

This is what you've offered.

It sounds like what youre saying is I have to believe in God before he will exist for me. I have to have faith in his existence.

 

[Trek]

You've been asked for evidence that it lives outside your head. Do you have any or not?

Your atheism is kicking in again.
if I don’t give you satisfactory evidence does it mean God is not real?
If it does mean that God is not real then I am correct in saying that as far as you’re concerned… there is no God and as such you are being dishonest when asking for evidence.

If however if it doesn’t mean God is not real then you’re asking the wrong questions, and I recommend you check out former, explicit, card carrying atheists giving their testimonies.
It’s a good place to start because they are coming from the same place as you all

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You don’t have a good reason to be an atheist, unless you accept the illogic. Like (neo) Darwinian Evolution.

"Illogic"? Why you use words you don't know what they mean?

 

[DaveC426913]

Your atheism is kicking in again.

This really hurts your case.

Rather than addressing my arguments, you are addressing your concept of atheism. That's a classic straw man.

Not to mention that you have already established that you don't what atheism is. If I were a lesser man I might start calling you a liar (if that were somehow logical).

if I don’t give you satisfactory evidence does it mean God is not real?

It simply means I lack sufficient evidence to believe he is real.
It is logically impossible to prove a negative, so it would be folly for me to assert God does not exist.
Best I can do is relegate him to the same place as unicorns: "Not sayin' they don't exist, just sayin' I'll believe it when see it."

This is how all humans work, including you. You lack sufficient evidence of garden faeries, therefore you are not convinced they are real. If I can't produce evidence that satisfies you, you are right to continue to be skeptical that they exist.

If it does mean that God is not real then I am correct in saying that as far as you’re concerned… there is no God

I am not prepared to say there is "no such thing" as unicorns.
My stance is, and always has been "I'll accept it when I see it."

and as such you are being dishonest when asking for evidence.

I still do not find any logic in this.

How is asking for evidence for something being 'dishonest'? Take makes no sense. Please explain this.

... I recommend you check out former, explicit, card carrying atheists giving their testimonies.

I'm asking you, here, now. Because you are here, making a claim for God's existence.

And what I'm hearing is "Who me? I don't know; I was indoctrinated early in my life to believe without needing evidence. Go ask these other guys who came by their belief honestly."

Please, disabuse me of this notion that you, personally, neither have - nor require - evidence.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No I don't.
You need to provide your evidence.

You do, but you won't. You have no evidence for any god or gods. Repeat that to yourself when you start to make unprovable claims.

 

[gmilam]

Your atheism is kicking in again.
if I don’t give you satisfactory evidence does it mean God is not real?
If it does mean that God is not real then I am correct in saying that as far as you’re concerned… there is no God and as such you are being dishonest when asking for evidence.

If however if it doesn’t mean God is not real then you’re asking the wrong questions, and I recommend you check out former, explicit, card carrying atheists giving their testimonies.
It’s a good place to start because they are coming from the same place as you all

Translation: "I got nothin'."

 

[foghorn]

It's lucky Trex is honest and not like Jan Ardena, who was 'permanently' banned.

 

[DaveC426913]

You do, but you won't. You have no evidence for any god or gods. Repeat that to yourself when you start to make unprovable claims.

Did you mean to quote me?

 

[DaveC426913]

It's lucky Trex is honest and not like Jan Ardena, who was 'permanently' banned.

Yeah. It's coming back to me like a bad dream.