Theist tries to tell atheists what they believe

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm a life long atheist with absolutely no belief in gods, fairies, leprechauns, etc. No reason to believe all that crap.

 

[Pinball1970]

I’ve learned that you are arrogant because you think the tiny bit of science you can determine

Tiny! Excuse me sir I would say it is a "small" amount. Enough to discuss Evolution and few other bits and pieces.

Tiny! Indeed...

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

We once proposed that the bars around Purdue be consisted extensions.

 

[Trek]

How is that lying?

Ok. Seeing as there is NO evidence that makes you believe God is real. What evidence would make you believe God is real?

If I told you Leprechauns exist and you said "I don't believe you, I don't see any sign of Leprechauns." Would I get to call you a liar?

I wouldn’t say I don’t believe you.
I would ask “where are they”.
Because if they existed we would see them.

Says the guy calling everyone else a liar...

You are liars if you say your reason for atheism is a lack of evidence because you have no idea of what evidence of God would be. You’re own arbitury attempt of evidence like skywriting or a big booming voice is atheist nonsenses.
It only shows you have no clue

Do you know what an ad hominem is?

Yes thanks.
Do you?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"no idea of what evidence of God would be"

And therefore no reason to believe such a thing exists. Burden of proof is on the person making the claim that God exists.

 

[Trek]

No. This is a common mistake. While some atheists say there is no God, I think they are a small minority of all atheists. Most atheists - including most of the atheists on sciforums - say only that, so far, they have seen no evidence sufficient to convince them that there is a God.

Either God is real or God isn’t real.
That really all there is.
I get that we can intellectually decide we are “undecided”, or “decided”, but the reality is, there is no connection other than to our own understanding. And that understanding is determined by which camp we decide to attach ourselves to.
If there is no connection, there is no God. It’s very subtle. That is why God cannot be grasped by the atheist. The atheist has to stop being an atheist, because that mindset is the very thing that creates the barrier.
It’s the difference between looking through a murky glass, and looking through the same glass wiped clean.

Are you going to share your greater knowledge with us poor, floundering atheists, or not? And if not, why not?

Theres nothing to share plus it’s not a greater knowledge in the sense of academic knowledge.
You need to stop your atheist mindset if you want to make a connection. It’s all you.

You're not making much sense with that, I'm afraid, Trek. "You don't know what evidence is required when asked" does not, in any way, imply "You can't want evidence". Can you see that?

What I see is a bunch of people trying to use their intellect to put up a barrier because you are in denial of God.
The best people for you to learn from is former atheists who like y’all used their intellect to create barriers, but become barrier free and now have a connection with their Spiritual Father.
That’s why Jesus came to this world, to reconnect those whose barriers were cast away.

I'm not so sure. Over a period of several years on this forum, I had discussions with another guy called Jan Ardena, a self-described "theist" who used to visit this forum regularly for quite a while

ive been reading some of his posts. I like a lot of what he said when he talked about God. Jan isn’t unique in that kind of thinking. It is from the pov of understanding anything no matter how minute about God, allows us to see things more as they are, especially in intellectual discourses because we can see that it is nothing but kidding ourselves.

 

[Trek]

And therefore no reason to believe such a thing exists. Burden of proof is on the person making the claim that God exists.

Thank you for demonstrating the atheist mindset

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That's the rational mindset.

 

[Trek]

That's the rational mindset.

You don’t have a good reason to be an atheist, unless you accept the illogic. Like (neo) Darwinian Evolution.

 

[Trek]

That's the rational mindset.

You don’t have a good reason to be an atheist, unless you accept the illogic. Like (neo) Darwinian Evolution

 

[DaveC426913]

Ok. Seeing as there is NO evidence that makes you believe God is real. What evidence would make you believe God is real?

As I was saying before you started calling everyone a liar, we can book-end it by starting with things that would certainly cause me consider god exists - I've stated his before: If a mile tall dude with a white beard and robe, carring a giant staff topped with gold 'G' appeared in the sky above me, spoke my name, and truend day into night with a snap of his fingers, I woildn;t defientely consider God as one of the top three explanations (I wouldn't be able to rule out alien-with-fabulous technology or hallucination).

So that rules out the accusation that 'nothing' would convince me. The question now becomes 'Are there less theatrical things that might convine me' but that's a longer story.

I wouldn’t say I don’t believe you.
I would ask “where are they”.

Exactly my point.

Because if they existed we would see them.

Well, not necessarily. They might not live where you are.
The point being you are not going to believe in them merely because I say so. You expect convincng evidence.

You are liars if you say your reason for atheism is a lack of evidence because you have no idea of what evidence of God would be.

Well I just did (see first pragraph). So I guess you will be retracting the accusation of liar now, will you?

You’re own arbitury attempt of evidence like skywriting or a big booming voice is atheist nonsenses.

Exactly. I can't produce evidence for the existence of something I do not believe there is sufficient evidence for.

"Here is my bag of evidence of God. But Lo! 'tis empty!"

The evidence has to come from your camp. You are the one claiming there's evidence.

Now that we're on the same page about that, do you think you can tone down the trolling? It appears very defensive.

It only shows you have no clue

No sh*t Sherlock. As we have been asking since time immemorial, share this glorous evidence with us poor godless souls.

Why is this so hard?

Yes thanks.
Do you?

I think you'd need to cite an example of an ad hominem I've used for me to believe that.

 

[DaveC426913]

Thank you for demonstrating the atheist mindset

It is your mindset too.
It is every person's mindset.

You don't believe in Leprechauns unless the Leprechaun-claimant shows you Leprechauns.
You don't believe in an even prime number greater than two because you have seen no convicing evidence of one.
You don't believe in flying to the Moon on gossamer wings unless the claimant shows you cis-lunar wings.
You don't believe in The Great Green Arkleseizure unless you are shown evidence of it.


That is the default state of all humans. Including you.

Atheists just have one more thing on that infinite list than you.

 

[Trek]

So that rules out the accusation that 'nothing' would convince me. The question now becomes 'Are there less theatrical things that might convine me' but that's a longer story.

You need to explain why you think that would be God. There cannot be any ambiguity

 

[Trek]

Exactly my point.

No its not
That only demonstrates what YOU think God is.

 

[Trek]

Well, not necessarily. They might not live where you are.
The ponit being you;re are not going to believe in them merey becaue I say so.

If they existed, someone would see them.
Otherwise for all intent and purpose they don’t exist.
Now even if I thought “well there is no evidence that they don’t exist, so I cannot definitively say they don’t exist. I just don’t know whether or not they exist (agnostic). They still don’t exist to me in reality.

 

[Trek]

Well I just did. So I guess you will be retracting the accusation of liar now, will you?

What makes that concoction a contender to be God?

 

[DaveC426913]

You need to explain why you think that would be God. There cannot be any ambiguity

No I don't.
You need to provide your evidence.

No its not
That only demonstrates what YOU think God is.

What do you think the Great Green Arkleseizure is? If you get it wrong, I get to call you all sorts of rotten names. There cannot be any ambiguity.

Or do you, just perhaps, think the onus is on me, to explain to you how you can see the GGA yourself?

 

[DaveC426913]

What makes that concoction a contender to be God?

Exactly what we're asking you.
What makes you think your idea of God is correct?

 

[Trek]

No sh*t Sherlock. As we have been asking since time immemorial, share this glorous evidence with us poor godless souls.

I have advise
Lift the veil
Stop pretending you are justified in your atheism.
This very thread is evidence that you know you are not.

 

[DaveC426913]

I have advise

Show us or stand as a charlatan.

Lift the veil

Stop pretending you are justified in your atheism.
This very thread is evidence that you know you are not.

Preach. Plug your ears. Say your mantra. Drown out the thinking.