Here is the promised part of post showing Central bank leasing has ended as the lease rate is now slightly negative.
Before 2008 crisis, central banks made money by leasing out their gold. (Red line > zero.) The 1-month lease rate is shown as an annual average.
Data sources for graph: Federal Reserve Bulletin, Foreign Official Assets Held at Federal Reserve Banks, Earmarked Gold & LBMA.
Before 2002 Fed's NYC vault leased out ~310 tonnes /year (blue bars) and only honored small promises for two years and then let no gold leave for three years more (lease rate dollar gains too low). In 2007 & '08 it lets 400+ tonnes total leave. Most of the gold, I think, in NYC vault is foreign gold, so most probably it was not US gold being leased out, but whose gold is increasing the supply of gold in not important... {any new supply lowers the price}.
(1) I asked for support for your assertion that ShadowStats was a conspiracy site inventing thing. Your LoL^2 is not that, so I formally ask again (# 3 request) for support of your attack on the ShadowStats site.
(2) Joepistole states in post 683: "... that article from Bloomberg does exit."
I replied:
"That is a blatant lie." and now ask again (for the 18th time) for you to give the link to Bloomberg.
(3) Also in post 683, Joe states: "... the fact is you have not been able to prove
your assertion that the Federal Reserve doesn’t have Germany’s gold reserves"
I again note I never said that. Joe is putting those words in my mouth so (for the 6th time) I again ask you to give link to my post asserting that.
(4) Also in post 683, Joe states: " If people had listened to you, they would have missed a doubling of the stock markets and they would have suffered $700+ dollar per troy ounce loss in gold. ..."
More false statements by Joe, so I replied in 684:
"I'm happy to be with > $50 paper profit but will not sell until start of 2015 (partly for tax reasons), but more be cause I expect the price to be than at least double of what I paid. I'm not sure, but think gold is up ~5% while stocks (the Dow-Jones) is down about 2 or 3 % since start of 2014. I'll close by asking for a quote of me recommending gold $700 higher than it is - Hell, lets be generous
just to show how you lie - invent things, quote me telling others to buy even when it was ~$350 higher. I.e. at 1243 + 350 = $1593/ per ounce. (The 2nd time I ask for that.)"
Note at time of post684, gold was higher so $50/sh was then correct. The bears have made a good try at lowering the price of gold when the buying for the Chinese new year presents was over.(The buyers are now back home with their families, for about a week) I.e. Bears were able to drive gold price down to $1240/oz in the absence of Chinese demand, but it is already climbing back up. Not only are the Chinese buying at the new floor of $1240/oz but there are serious political problems in at least half a dozen countries now - their rich are buying, too.
I will copy and by edit from my history at TD AmT showing to the second when this transaction occurred and showing the price I paid for 500 sh of GLD.
Here is data promised:
Date & Time: 12/31/2013 at 08:47:13
Description: Bought 500 GLD @ 115.11
Amount:
-57,564.99 Your broker may be able to confirm 500sh of GLD were bought at that time (given to the second!) Unlike like Joe who thinks his "LoL" is documentation, I give links you can check. Currently (8:11 AM in NYC market is not open, but gold trades almost 24 hours per day and is at 1247.70/ oz. I can't now get price of non-trading GLD but it will be essentially 1/10 of gold's price so say it is 124.77/ sh. (127.77 - 115.11 = $12,66 per share times 500 sh is $6,330 paper profit but now that law of supply and demand is taking over the job of setting price gold trades at (instead of the Paper Gold tradrs at Comex)** I am quite sure gold will surpass its all time high in 2014, but I'll not sell, for tax reasons until January 2015 at the earliest. (Probably never - just die owning it so my heirs get the new much higher cost basis - the price at time of my death.)
I think the stock market is now lower than at end of 2013, but I'm up on my gold buy ~5% in just this month of January. People who listen to me would be much better off than buying stocks, now that their support (the 85billion / month tapper) is being cut.
I'll note that I got my GLD at slight discount to the normal price which is ~10% of the price on an ounce of gold because of the huge "tax loss" selling pressure on GLD which is an ETF that stores physical gold in a London vault. (Many, as I expected/ predicted/ took profits on stock I correctlys and needed some tax-off setting loss sales on them. (Why I bought on last day of the year. - I correctly expected / predicted that many would wait until last week of the year to take their profits as stock prices were rising.)
GLD sell a little gold periodically to cover their operating cost, but as they are by far the largest ETF holding physical gold, the cost per share is much less than the rent of a bank vault. I also like the fact it is in England. In more than 700 years never has private gold been confiscated - It effectively was (paid only $35/oz) in the US in 1932.
(6) In post 680, Joe states without any back up - just his opinion:
"ShadowStats is one of those fringe websites which caters to the conspiracy and right wing lunatic fringes in order to justify their ideological positions. "
I have asked a couple of times for link agreeing with his opinion. - None given yet, but some may exist (at some right wing site, I would bet).
(7) In post 678, to Michael, Joe states:
"It's amazing what you can claim when you just make up numbers in order to support your ideology. "
I now note that graph Michael post obviously is nothing but a quote from some source. Michael did not make that graph. Michael posted that unemployment vs. time graph to support what he did assert, namely:
"... 'Federal' Reserve bailed out the richest 0.01% by shoveling generational debt onto the poorest while pulling the rug out from under anyone who may have stood a chance of creating a meaningful business and providing gainful employment."
Rather that try to refute items others have posted, Joe often puts words into their mouths - converting posting of source into a claim/ assertion they made, according to Joe. This, or attacking the credibility of the source, is Joes standary "reply mode." I have been victim of it dozens of times, but have started to call him on it and ask for his sources (His "LoL" does not demonstrate you or your sources are wrong - only that Joe has no real rebuttal.)
So In summary, I will be happy to let readers compare my reference facts with Joe's "LoL" and unsupported assertions, etc.
** want another not distant prediction? Ok, I predict the twice daily and already quite meaningless "fixing of the price of gold" in London will cease to be done in 2014. The German bank, one of five used for the "fix" has already ceased to participate - others will soon - it is a silly obsolete "tradition" ONLY now. Chinese demand, already greater than the supply, will be how price of gold is "fixed."