Yeah, a one state solution.
The two state solution fate
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Yeah, a one state solution.
You deem something that will always cause anger and violence toward Israeli and jews in general as well as turning the international community against Israel to be a winning strategy? May I ask how you came to such a conclusion?
May I ask why you think israel's strategy won't work? A concrete example of how this anger and violence threatens this strategy would be nice.
because eventually it will reach a threshold point that will have either have A: the muslim world sending a massive coalition army against Israel to stop it from further encroachment or B: the UN will get fed up with Israel's flaunting of international law and end up doing something about it probably once again involving a massive coalition army against Israel although this one would have better weapons than Israel.
A: The Muslim world already did that once and it didn't work out.
B: The US has veto power on the UN, and wouldn't send any army into Israel.
B: The US has veto power on the UN, and wouldn't send any army into Israel.
A. That was then, this is now.
B. Do you not recognize a fading empire when you see one?
I don't believe either of this will happen. If current patterns follow, Israel will descend into open apartheid and form little enclosed prisons all over the west Bank as they have in Gaza; Qalqilya is already a more densely populated prison than Gaza. Civil liberties of the Palestinians will be degraded till they reach a watershed that no one will be able to ignore. Unfortunately, it will be too late to turn back the clock, since population transfers of hundreds of thousands of Jews from the occupied territories will no longer be possible, with the threat of civil war and even mutiny. Eventually, it will result in greater and greater violence, with many more Palestinians getting killed and the situation becoming progressively worse. Ultimately, it will become a situation where Israelis will become entirely responsible for the fate of Palestinians and be forced to give them citizenship. At least another 100 years of violence, I would guess.
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Looks like Palestinian terrorism is getting them nowhere. Maybe they will realize this eventually.
Looks like Israeli terrorism is getting them nowhere as well. But I have no doubt that they will not realise it until they lose their state.
But one good thing to come out of this is that they will no longer consider themselves as victims, because what they will do to the Palestinians will be their burden forever.
But one good thing to come out of this is that they will no longer consider themselves as victims, because what they will do to the Palestinians will be their burden forever.
Why hasn't the world risen up against the government of Darfur where quite literally millions are being killed in a true act of genocide? Your ridiculous post is nothing but an antisemitic fantasy. :roflmao:
no half the middle east sent troops against Israel the entire muslim world has never fielded an army against Israel.
there are so many things wrong with this that it isn't funny.
1. Its an admission that Israel flaunts international law.
2. Its an admission that the us uses its veto to protect Israel form the consequences of flaunting international law.
3. The mood of the us is slowly becoming less blindly supportive of Israel and wants to hold them accountable for their action.
4. the other countries might just say fuck it and do it with out us in a broad coalition.
Firstly I never said anything about genocide. secondly its a more of internal thing which however fucked up it may be gets more of a pass.
there is nothing anti-semitic about my post.
Its not anti-semitic to point out possible destruction of Israel at the hands of other nations because of its own actions.
according to your fucked up logic it is anti-semitic to say if a jew kicks a grizzly in the nads it will get mauled.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven't the same kind of natural or direct connection to or personal investment in the arab-israeli conflict that muslims or arabs have because you're neither of these or anything comparable. Yet you brush aside darfur and no doubt rwanda as if genuine genocide means nothing to you. This is proof positive that you are indeed very very much a died in the wool fanatical jew-hater: For you, if it doesn't involve jews, it just doesn't matter.
You need to recognize the difference between fantasy and reality. You sound like a crazy person. Your posts are shallow and show no real insight into anything.
Are you a sock-puppet of buffalo? you have his knack for making baseless guesses about my beliefs and me that he does.
I have not brushed them off? I don't mention them because I don't see any threads on them( which if they were I would like to discuss them)and they aren't relevant to this conflict.
This is proof positive that your a moron who forms opinions based on what you want to believe rather than well facts.
I do. Do you?
yes because its perfectly sane to think a strategy that increases hatred and violence toward you is a winning won.
Now I know your buffalo or at least someone just like him.
You still haven't provided a plausible scenario where this hatred and violence can actually translate itself into a force that halts israel's continued settlement program. So many virtually impossible things would have to happen in the world before something like your laughable "unified massive arab army" scenario could become reality. The chain of "what if's" here are simply too long and unlikely for this to be assessed as anything but an imaginary threat, a paranoid fantasy, a delusion, a tempest in a teapot. The correct course for israel is to continue their annexation of the west bank thereby gaining leverage for future negotiations. At some point the palestinians must realize that the world is passing them by and they're creating nothing but misery for themselves and that all attempts to disrupt the basic quality of life for israelis through war, insurrection and terrorism have failed and that it simply has never made and continues to make no sense to continue this way.
do you lack the wit to understand what your propossing can't happen the way you say it is. any attempt by Israel to annex any more land will garner more attention of the palestinian plight not less. The only fantasy here is yours.
also I never said unified or arab.
But israel is continuing to annex land and all this hatred and outcry you warn against has had no effect whatsoever on this. Though the hatred you talk about is real, it isn't enough to win, not even close. Israel won this battle a long time ago while the palestinian plight continues to worsen as they continue in their quixotic pursuit of the impossible.
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yes, pjdude, your parinoia is showing, p-brane is all his own person.
A rather intellengent fellow if I do say so.
Buffalo Roam
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pjdude, I don't need a sock puppet to deal with you, your so far behind the curve, you think your in first place.
So you do not recognize your stance - of some kind of pretense of moral and political equivalence between aggressor and victim, of calling for an end to violence in the preservation of a status quo in which one side keeps its recent and still expanding gains by violence up to the minute of the "peace", and the other side accepts it losses and its recent degradations - as being favorable to one side and favorable to further violence from that side?quadro said:
How do you promote commonality and peace in a situation in which understanding recognizes ongoing and severe injustice?
You give yourself away when you introduce the canard of Hamas not "recognizing Israel's right to exist". Such a consideration not only reflects pro-Israeli bias and the taking of sides in the spin wars, but the consideration would be almost irrelevant in a genuine and practical attempt to reconcile two warring peoples as you pretend to favor in the quoted paragraph.
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