The Trump Presidency

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—————. "The Bannon Administration?" Commentary. 31 January 2017. CommentaryMagazine.com. 1 February 2017. http://bit.ly/2ki1LIG

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Brooks always has an explanation...

Because the only way for Mr. Brooks to continue to reassure the deluded shut-ins who buy his bullshit is by telling them one of his three standard lies.

The first and happiest lie is that Republican Party is doing just great! This is Mr. Brooks' favorite lie, but one which the actual day-to-day atrocities of the Republican Party have kept him from rolling out lately.

Mr. Brooks second and most reliable lie -- the lie that tries to explain away the daily Republican atrocities any idiot can see right in front of them -- is that any acts of obstruction or vandalism or treason you think you're seeing being committed the Republican Party can be easily explained away as "the extremes on Both Sides" ruining everything for everyone: a condition that will be rectified right quick once the Sensible Center (translation: Joe Lieberman) rises up and reasserts itself. Upon this lie Mr. Brooks and a number of his fellow Beltway frauds have built an entire, very profitable cult (The High and Holy Church of Both Siderism.) It is a lie that Mr. Brooks deployed relentlessly during the 2016 presidential campaign and it is a lie about which I have already written several hundred more times than is good for my mental health.

Mr. Brooks third and most reassuring lie of all is that, whatever you may have thought about the Republican Party in the past (a "past" during which Mr. Brooks was busy reassuring you that everything was just fucking fine so please stop talking about it), as of today the Republican Party has turned the corner, purged itself of any weirdness and is about to do great things!

...

But what happens when the lies run out?

Ah, there's the rub.

What happens when Mr. Brooks can no longer pretend that the current crisis simply doesn't exist or is the byproduct of Extremes on Both Sides? When the rough beast finally slouches all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to be born?

Well then comes the Biggest Lie of All! The whopper that unrepentant con men like Mr. David Brooks only uncork for the rarest occasions.

From Mr. Brooks in The New York Times today:
In the first place, the Trump administration is not a Republican administration; it is an ethnic nationalist administration...
Yes, the administration of the fascist man-baby who ran as a Republican, was cheered by giant crowds of Republican base voters, who won virtually every Republican primary by wide margins, who was nominated at the Republican National Convention, who was elected as a Republican and who has had his ass kissed by an endless procession of Republican elected officials...

...is not Republican.

Says David Brooks.

Right?

Excellent take down of the lovely David Brooks at driftglass - http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2017/01/david-brooks-two-inches-to-right.html.
I think you aren't seeing the point here. I think the word 'Republican' is blinding you as to the real issue here. Yeah, Brooks is a Republican. You obviously disagree with many if not all of his ideological views. I don't share his ideology. But that doesn't mean the man is evil. It doesn't mean he is wrong. It doesn't mean he is lying. While I don't agree with Brooks on many issues, the man is intellectually honest. That doesn't mean he is correct; it just means he is intellectually honest, and I respect that.

I quoted Brooks in his entirety rather than cherry picking something which could be misrepresented. Based on the entirety of his text, it's very clear Brooks was very critical of the Republican Party. He was very critical of its highest elected official: Donald Trump, and his criticism has been consistent and persistent.

When a guy like Brooks. a widely respected Republican journalist, tells you he thinks congressional Republicans and/or Trump's cabinet will oust Trump before the end of Trump's first term, that should cause people to take notice. Brooks isn't the only Republican to float this idea. This is indeed unprecedented. The nation has never before seen anything like this. When Brooks accuses the White House of holding ideologies which aren't consistent with the Republican ideology Brooks holds dear, people should take note. You just don't see that in American politics. We are clearly on uncharted grounds. Trump isn't your mama's brand of Republican. I think that's pretty clear. But Trump does reflect with the Republican Party has become. Brooks thinks there are enough old school Republicans around to oust Trump. I'm not certain.

Trump has caused a rift within the Republican Party. We saw that during the election cycle. That rift has been pasted over by the unexpected Republican electoral victories. But that rift hasn't gone away as demonstrated by Brook's article. Brooks is predicting the rift will come back in spades and result in the unprecedented removal of a sitting president.

As I previously posted, I can see that happening if Trump continues down the path he is on.
 
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Flynn came into the daily White House press briefing today to declare in a tersely worded announcement Iran is on notice. Can war with Iran be far behind? I don't think so.
 
The point being? In a civilized discussion, you simply would have accepted that my evaluation differs from your.
In a civilized world, I do accept that the rightwing authoritarian propaganda feed coming from Breitbart and Fox and the US media, the think tanks that guide and set their parameters and vocabulary, contains "evaluations" of people and events that differ from my own. And I know why that is.

But do you really want to be reposting their garbage as "evaluations" of your own? To be a parrot of scum is your goal?
It means, the criterion for putting it into the "you are stupid" wastebasket is applicable. That's all.
Since your "criteria" have repeatedly lead you to making false claims of easily checked fact, you have grounds for suspecting they are flawed. Right?
The point being? Everybody in the Soviet empire was aware that there is not much economic strength. But that the military strength is comparable.
The military strength was nowhere near comparable, as the examples you posted illustrate perfectly. That was concealed from the American people under a flood of exaggerations and deceptions, to justify the profitable military buildup of the Cold War - which makes sense, but: Why do you believe them?
Meanwhile, your isolationist has just launched his first military venture in the project to - if he acts as he said he would - kill all the Islamic terrorists and their families everywhere they live on the planet.

Brooks made a point, Trump isn't your typical Republican. He is in fact an ethnic nationalist.
There are very few Brooksian typical Republicans in the Republican Party. There are about 60 million "ethnic nationalists", including all but a couple of the Republican Congressmen and the entire current Executive administration as nominated and selected by the Republican Party. This has been the case for David Brooks's entire professional career.
While I don't agree with Brooks on many issues, the man is intellectually honest
No, he really isn't. Flagrantly isn't. Of all the virtues you could try to assign to David Brooks, intellectual honesty is the least credible. He is the typing, talking, top of the food chain epitome of bad faith in intellectual analysis. You could put his picture and a collection of quotes from his columns in the encyclopedia under the heading "intellectual dishonesty".
When Brooks accuses the White House of holding ideologies which aren't consistent with the Republican ideology Brooks holds dear, people should take note. You just don't see that in American politics.
The supposed "Republican ideologies" Brooks pretends to hold dear haven't been seen in the White House since Eisenhower.
But Trump does reflect with the Republican Party has become
Trump is a direct continuation of what the Republican Party became in 1980. Dress Reagan up in an orangutan suit and give his second wife a boob job, and what's the difference? Ok, twenty points of IQ in the wife and the chance that Trump isn't going senile, but otherwise? Nothing in the way of policy or basic agenda, nothing in the way of electoral base or corporate backing.
But that doesn't mean the man is evil. It doesn't mean he is wrong. It doesn't mean he is lying
Doesn't mean he isn't, either. And he is. Always has been.
As I previously posted, I can see that happening if Trump continues down the path he is on.
It won't happen if the Republican Party continues down the path it has been on since 1968.
 
Based on the entirety of his text, it's very clear Brooks was very critical of the Republican Party.
Maybe. It seems to me though that he tries to excuse "The Republican Party" - as such - by trying to represent the Donald as something "other". He needs to own it - Trump is just the embodiment of all that the Republicans have been espousing for the last twenty years or so. President Trump [*gag* *cough*] just has the nuts (or is nuts enough) to say it in public. Worse, he now has the power to act on these precepts - G*d help us...

None of which means that Brooks' prediction won't happen, just that he won't attribute the fault to his party - he would rather pretend that Trump is some sort of aberration rather than simply the mature fruit from the tree.
 
Flynn came into the daily White House press briefing today to declare in a tersely worded announcement Iran is on notice. Can war with Iran be far behind? I don't think so.

Care to put a timeline on your think so

1 week?

1 month?

1 year?
 
Care to put a timeline on your think so

1 week?

1 month?

1 year?
Can you? Do think I have ESP? I have no idea. But clearly, Flynn's odd declaration today was clearly a line in the sand: a clear warning, and it makes me think a military attack on Iraq is nigh. If you take Trump's campaign statements seriously, you cannot believe otherwise. Trump's antipathy towards Iran is very well known. Trump hasn't hidden it. In many ways he reminds me of Bush Junior.
 
Maybe. It seems to me though that he tries to excuse "The Republican Party" - as such - by trying to represent the Donald as something "other". He needs to own it - Trump is just the embodiment of all that the Republicans have been espousing for the last twenty years or so. President Trump [*gag* *cough*] just has the nuts (or is nuts enough) to say it in public. Worse, he now has the power to act on these precepts - G*d help us...

None of which means that Brooks' prediction won't happen, just that he won't attribute the fault to his party - he would rather pretend that Trump is some sort of aberration rather than simply the mature fruit from the tree.

Oh, I think Brooks knows it and owns it. I listen to and read what he says and writes. He knows the Republican Party has lost its way. That's why he has been and remains critical of the Republican Party.

Trump is beginning his term as one of the most unpopular presidents in history. Using historical standards, Trump's approval ratings should be at their zenith. In the lastest Pew survey his job approval rating average was 45% and trending lower. More recent polls have him at 42% job approval. Odds are from here on out they will go lower. That's additional incentive for Republicans to toss him out on his keister.
 
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Oh, I think Brooks knows it and owns it. I listen to and read what he says and writes. He knows the Republican Party has lost its way. That's why he has been and remains critical of the Republican Party.
If he knows what happened to his Party, his career of columns concealing and denying is a pattern of deliberate, cynical, manipulative lies. If he doesn't know, he's in bad faith denial of what he can't avoid having seen.

Either way, things like including Tom Cotton in any list labeled "honorable Republicans" - let alone a list of those expected to join together and rid the Republican Party of its Tom Cottons and Donald Trumps - prevent any interpretation of Brooks as an honest intellectual genuinely critical of the Republican Party. He's been carrying water for the dark side his whole life - too late now.
More recent polls have him at 42% job approval. Odds are from here on out they will go lower. That's additional incentive for Republicans to toss him out on his keister.
There isn't a Republican in Congress who can get elected dogcatcher without the votes of the people who approve of everything Trump is doing right now as President.
 
If he knows what happened to his Party, his career of columns concealing and denying is a pattern of deliberate, cynical, manipulative lies. If he doesn't know, he's in bad faith denial of what he can't avoid having seen.

Again, where is your proof of same. You are really good at making unfounded allegations. You are horrible at proving them.

Either way, things like including Tom Cotton in any list labeled "honorable Republicans" - let alone a list of those expected to join together and rid the Republican Party of its Tom Cottons and Donald Trumps - prevent any interpretation of Brooks as an honest intellectual genuinely critical of the Republican Party. He's been carrying water for the dark side his whole life - too late now.

What has that to do with the subject at hand? It has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

There isn't a Republican in Congress who can get elected dogcatcher without the votes of the people who approve of everything Trump is doing right now as President.

Ironically, isn't that what Brooks wrote? :) Isn't that the problem he identified in his article?
 
Well, it looks like some journalists were jumping the gun on Bannon's "appointment" to the NSC, since he isn't being appointed to the NSC, but rather to the group that advises the president otherwise known by the acronym "the PL".

Nonetheless, it's the first time a civilian has been given carte blanche to attend every meeting. The downgrading of other NSC members from that group remains disturbing. The US is becoming a one-party political system, which is not a democracy.
 
Nonetheless, it's the first time a civilian has been given carte blanche to attend every meeting.
It's the first time a civilian has been appointed to be a member - someone who speaks, contributes, does the work - of the Principals Committee. And that is what the Senate confirmation issue is about.
 
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Well, it looks like some journalists were jumping the gun on Bannon's "appointment" to the NSC, since he isn't being appointed to the NSC, but rather to the group that advises the president otherwise known by the acronym "the PL".

Nonetheless, it's the first time a civilian has been given carte blanche to attend every meeting. The downgrading of other NSC members from that group remains disturbing. The US is becoming a one-party political system, which is not a democracy.

But Bannon has been appointed to the NSC (National Security Council) and more than that, he has been appointed to the NSC's Principals Committee. http://www.npr.org/2017/01/30/51248...tional-security-council-has-a-very-big-change

Not only is it unprecedented, it's deeply disturbing. Why would you appoint a political adviser to the NSC? It makes no sense, unless there is some nefarious intent.
 
There is no doubt millions of highly educated persons in the USA and around the world sharing your sentiment. Most would err on the side of caution and consider nefarious as the only descriptor.
Most are waiting impotently for further evidence to support that view.

The real question is:
Why do we feel the President is so important that we are as a global community prepared to take the risk?
Why allow such a unpredictable factor rule our lives?

He is just a man....
Remove him and hold a new election...start again.
I know... easier said than done but really think on it.... he is just a man, a very sick one at that...

sort of "no big deal... we stuffed up and now we gotta try again..."
 
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Can you? Do think I have ESP? I have no idea. But clearly, Flynn's odd declaration today was clearly a line in the sand: a clear warning, and it makes me think a military attack on Iraq is nigh. If you take Trump's campaign statements seriously, you cannot believe otherwise. Trump's antipathy towards Iran is very well known. Trump hasn't hidden it. In many ways he reminds me of Bush Junior.

Thought you might have an inkling as you posted
not far behind
is nigh
so I am guessing you're not thinking in the 1,000 year time range

No idea of your ESP ability

Can I put a timeline

Sure

Never, ain't going to happen
 
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News breaking in Australia:

"According to The Washington Post, Mr Trump claimed the refugee resettlement deal struck with former US president Barack Obama was "the worst deal ever", before abruptly ending the 25-minute phone call.

Mr Trump reportedly accused the Prime Minister of seeking to export the "next Boston bombers" to the US, and complained that the deal was going to kill him politically.

He reportedly said "I don't want these people" while discussing the resettlement deal with Mr Turnbull."

This is after repeated assurances from the administration that the deal would be honored.​

Politically the PM is desperate to see the refugee deal honored as he believes it would solve the Offshore detention issues Au has with asylum seekers.
"He can't claim Trump to be nuts, as much as he would like to, because of the obvious.
Worth a watch of the video and see PM squirm over the call...
src: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-02/donald-trump-shared-worst-call-with-malcolm-turnbull/8234904
 
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Thought you might have an inkling as you posted
not far behind
is nigh
so I am guessing you're not thinking in the 1,000 year time range

No idea of your ESP ability

Can I put a timeline)

Sure

Never, ain't going to happen
LOL...good, you keep thinking that. :)
 
The strategy from Steve Bannon--The Silent One.
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The World Order needs to change, to change it, destroy it.
Start by sowing doubt and confusion as much as possible. Do this with other world leaders or foreign media, diplomats etc.. Once enough offices of the State don't know what to expect next, upend norms by appointing completely inappropriate people to key government roles and usurp the usual controls over where power is, and who has it. Hijack the state apparatus, little by little. Eventually also have control over the military, and there you have it, a fascist regime and l'Etat, c'est moi.

That's how Hitler did it, as far as I recall the history of that little gem. I also recall that he was ridiculed and called unhinged etc, before he went hard on it.
 
He also accused our PM of wanting to send more bombers to his country and that the deal in question was going to kill him politically...and that his call to our PM was the worst call so far in his day.
He implied by abruptly hanging up that our PM should Fuck off!

Sorry guys... unacceptable!
 
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