The Trump Presidency

[pjdude1219]

I see no reason to differentiate among the members of a gang of war criminals.

oh so is that why you've condemned putin's invasion of ukraine and the illegal annexation of its territory? oh that's right you defended that so clearly you are lying your ass off and you do differentiate between war criminals. the US's crimes relatively minor compared to despots are the height of evil, the autocrats you like war crimes are all justified and perfectly okay. there is not an autocrat you don't love and a democracy you dont hate. you are little more than sycophant who desperately wants the respect of thugs

 

[scorpius]

I totally agree though more nations have seriously benefited than those who have not... IMO

At the moment China appears to be fairly united but near future food security issues will force the population to seek a better path...
What happened during and after the last famine to hit China?
Given climate change and over population food security is and will become a major issue for China. Something other nations may seek to capitalize on.
How many million died as a result of civil war in China? ( not to mention Russia... but hey?)
...

Russia is whole diferent animal then China,,Putin is a Diktator gangster plain n simple

China is run by well educated scientists,engineers financial experts they have their sht together like you cant imagine and work continuously on Poverty aleviation for ALL
For some reason Our news networks never mention that,
Maybe the word comunism scares our Rich Overlords ?
Its not just comunism its also Capitalism as Chinas largest number of Bilionaires in the world now proves
China with its 5000 years history had obviously plenty o wars famines and upheavals
But now its on the right track
US is baby in diapers in comparison plenty o strugles ahead imo

Since our western media blocks all positive news about China it would be good idea for you people to talk directly to our expats livin in China to learn the Truth
Try
Gweilo60 chanel or Reporterfy media travel or Blondie in China or
Richard Augilar or Nathan Rich or Jayoe nation or Living in China
Good luck

 

[scorpius]

oh so is that why you've condemned putin's invasion of ukraine and the illegal annexation of its territory? oh that's right you defended that so clearly you are lying your ass off and you do differentiate between war criminals. the US's crimes relatively minor compared to despots are the height of evil, the autocrats you like war crimes are all justified and perfectly okay. there is not an autocrat you don't love and a democracy you dont hate. you are little more than sycophant who desperately wants the respect of thugs

US crimes are minor ?

Truth hurts yes

 

[iceaura]

China is run by well educated scientists,engineers financial experts they have their sht together like you cant imagine and work continuously on Poverty aleviation for ALL

Sounds like the US under Herbert Hoover.
Looks like it, too, in some ways.

China's banking system is not transparent, and is centrally controlled by a small number of secretive men accountable to no one. That's a recipe for financial disaster.

China has installed the world's most oppressive surveillance system - of its own citizens. It has also annexed Tibet by military force, and imprisoned a large Muslim minority in a kind of community concentration camp rife with abuse and punishments.

China has no apparent interest in, and apparently little comprehension of, environmental degradation and ecological damage (the risks it is taking with GMOs alone are serious to the point of apocalyptic).

The benevolent authoritarian cabal, like the good king, is not entirely mythical. But it doesn't last long.

 

[Quantum Quack]

US crimes are minor ?

Truth hurts yes

The video with Norm is interesting. Especially when Norm used the possible consequences to the policy maker inferring that those consequences that may or may not happen were deliberately invoked by and to those who instigated the policy.
Example:
The President of Ukraine deliberately attempts to join NATO to destroy his own country by provoking Russia into invading. Norm assumes that the outcome is inevitable and IMO this is a major concern with his words.
or:
"You knew that killing that person was going to get you executed for the crime so therefore by murdering that person you committed suicide. Your decision to commit the murder can only be respected by sentencing you to death".

It displays a profound insight but in the way he constantly uses it, it ultimately defeats itself. IMO

 

[Quantum Quack]

Russia is whole diferent animal then China,,Putin is a Diktator gangster plain n simple

China is run by well educated scientists,engineers financial experts they have their sht together like you cant imagine and work continuously on Poverty aleviation for ALL
For some reason Our news networks never mention that,
Maybe the word comunism scares our Rich Overlords ?
Its not just comunism its also Capitalism as Chinas largest number of Bilionaires in the world now proves
China with its 5000 years history had obviously plenty o wars famines and upheavals
But now its on the right track
US is baby in diapers in comparison plenty o strugles ahead imo

Since our western media blocks all positive news about China it would be good idea for you people to talk directly to our expats livin in China to learn the Truth
Try
Gweilo60 chanel or Reporterfy media travel or Blondie in China or
Richard Augilar or Nathan Rich or Jayoe nation or Living in China
Good luck

What do you consider as China's historic borders/territory and why?

 

[Write4U]

Genghis Khan

Genghis Khan[note 4] (born Temüjin Borjigin,[note 1]c. 1158 – August 18, 1227), also officially Genghis Huangdi,[note 5] was the founder and first Great Khan and Emperor of the Mongol Empire, which became the largest contiguous empire in history after his death. He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of Northeast Asia.

After founding the Empire and being proclaimed Genghis Khan (meaning "Universal, oceanic, and firm/strong ruler and lord"), he launched the Mongol invasions that conquered most of Eurasia, reaching as far west as Poland and the Levant in the Middle East.

Campaigns initiated in his lifetime include those against the Qara Khitai, Khwarezmia, and the Western Xia and Jin dynasties, and raids into Medieval Georgia, the Kievan Rus', and Volga Bulgaria. These campaigns were often accompanied by large-scale massacres of the civilian populations, especially in the Khwarazmian- and Western Xia–controlled lands.

Because of this brutality, which left millions dead, he is considered by many to have been a brutal ruler. By the end of his life, the Mongol Empire occupied a substantial portion of Central Asia and China. Due to his exceptional military successes, Genghis Khan is often considered to be the greatest conqueror of all time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan
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Genghis Khan came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. After founding the Mongol Empire, he started the Mongol invasions that resulted in the conquest of most of Eurasia.

These campaigns were often accompanied by wholesale massacres of the civilian populations – especially in Khwarezmia. Mongol campaigns may have resulted in the deaths of 40 million people which at the time accounted for approximately 11.1% of total world population.

https://www.scifacts.net/human/genghis-khan-death-toll/

"Greatest conqueror" is an expression of admiration or of disgust?

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How many people died under Alexander the Great?

• I’ll give an estimate of 2.5 million, bringing the total number of people Alexander the Great caused to die at 3.5 million.

"Alexander the Great" is an expression of admiration or disgust?

 

[Write4U]

What Animals Kill The Most Humans Each Year?
By Amber Pariona on April 28 2020 in Environment

The Mosquito

Surprisingly, the most dangerous animal to humans is not a large, sharp-toothed predator but rather a tiny, buzzing insect. Mosquitoes are responsible for around 1,000,000 deaths per year. Most people consider them nothing more than a summer evening nuisance, but they are the deadliest animal on earth. Mosquito-borne illnesses such as malaria, dengue, West Nile disease, yellow fever, and Zika disease cause widespread suffering and death.

Human

Approximately 475,000 people die every year at the hand of fellow man. In a world filled with conflict, war, murders, and acts of terrorism, this is unfortunately not that surprising. Deaths among humans are intentional and pre-calculated making them beyond tragic.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-animals-that-kill-most-humans.html

 

[pjdude1219]

US crimes are minor ?

Truth hurts yes

nice strawman. good job keeping crows away from the thread

 

[Quantum Quack]

But now its on the right track

I hope so...but I doubt it...
Once they can stand on their own with out employing forced labor to build a wealthy middle class, similar to what North Korea is doing and what the USA did in the pre-civil war years then and only then could you consider that they are on the right track.
Once they can survive the first rebellion due to their overzealous use of overt and covert population surveillance and the inevitable corruption that follows perhaps we can think that they are on the right track.
How do the Chinese feel about having their liberty restricted based on some sort of AI algorithm that uses "How many times you bow down and lick boots" as a criteria? (sarc)

No, come to think on it, the path they are heading down can only lead to revolution as the dystopian outcome will force it into existence. IMO

 

[Schmelzer]

oh so is that why you've condemned putin's invasion of ukraine and the illegal annexation of its territory?

I didn't. Because there was none in reality, only in Western propaganda fantasies.

Russia is whole diferent animal then China,,Putin is a Diktator gangster plain n simple

Nice that you give here some information about China. This is something I cannot give because I have not enough information about China.
But why you repeat the Western propaganda against Putin? What he has reached for Russia is quite comparable with what the Chinese have reached. So, at the end of the Soviet Union, they were one of the greatest importers of wheat. Today they are the greatest exporter of wheat. The Chinese have managed the transfer from communism to capitalism, Putin has managed the transfer from a corrupt mafia-like oligarchy close he destruction and civil war to a stable state of law.

China's banking system is not transparent, and is centrally controlled by a small number of secretive men accountable to no one. That's a recipe for financial disaster.

Depends on the qualification of those men, not on the transparency. And, given the Chinese meritocracy, they may plausibly be quite competent. And, of course, these men are accountable, to the leadership.

China has installed the world's most oppressive surveillance system - of its own citizens. It has also annexed Tibet by military force, and imprisoned a large Muslim minority in a kind of community concentration camp rife with abuse and punishments.

The Western propaganda about this is not reliable.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/...-told-by-chinese-defector-seem-to-evolve.html

China has no apparent interest in, and apparently little comprehension of, environmental degradation and ecological damage (the risks it is taking with GMOs alone are serious to the point of apocalyptic).

They had done a lot without caring about environment, simply because there were more important issues - poverty. If you have not enough to eat, you don't care much about dirty environment. This has already changed. They are, for example, planting a lot of trees, https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/h...inates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows

The benevolent authoritarian cabal, like the good king, is not entirely mythical. But it doesn't last long.

The Chinese system is not about a "good king".

 

[iceaura]

The Chinese system is not about a "good king".

So?

They had done a lot without caring about environment, simply because there were more important issues - poverty.

Poverty is not a separate issue. Abusing the environment, destroying the resource base of the society, is one of the most common ways to become desperately poor; and the resulting equilibrium is often stable - have you acquainted yourself with what that means, yet?

The Western propaganda about this is not reliable.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/...-told-by-chinese-defector-seem-to-evolve.html

So why post examples of it? Do you expect to be able to get information from that site?

Depends on the qualification of those men, not on the transparency

No, it doesn't. Left to themselves, unregulated and unsupervised, bankers will blow up your economy - regardless of their expertise and qualifications.
Apparently that's something every new corporate authoritarian government has to find out for themselves - but it's a painful lesson.

The Chinese have managed the transfer from communism to capitalism,

Not yet. They don't have systematic capital ownership of land, for example - a fundamental matter.

Putin has managed the transfer from a corrupt mafia-like oligarchy close he destruction and civil war to a stable state of law.

So did these guys, in the US: https://www.biography.com/news/famous-mob-mafia-bosses
So did fascists everywhere, when they won.

I didn't. Because there was none in reality, only in Western propaganda fantasies.

When you have to pretend that a physical reality (Russia having annexed Crimea by military force) does not exist, some kind of warning bell should go off in your head.

 

[Schmelzer]

Poverty is not a separate issue. Abusing the environment, destroying the resource base of the society, is one of the most common ways to become desperately poor; and the resulting equilibrium is often stable - have you acquainted yourself with what that means, yet?

Yes, and therefore I know that what you have written is nonsense. Because destroying something is a process which changes something, thus, not in equilibrium, and even less stable.

In the case of China, there was no stable equilibrium, and also no destruction of the resource base of the society. The Chinese became richer, and then started to care about things like the environment.

Do you expect to be able to get information from that site?

Yes. Quite different from your postings. A lot of information in the text itself, and a lot of links to the various sources.

No, it doesn't. Left to themselves, unregulated and unsupervised, bankers will blow up your economy - regardless of their expertise and qualifications.

As explained, there are not unsupervised.

Not yet. They don't have systematic capital ownership of land, for example - a fundamental matter.

They don't care about what you consider as fundamental.

So did these guys, in the US: https://www.biography.com/news/famous-mob-mafia-bosses
So did fascists everywhere, when they won.

Thanks for explaining what Americans mean when they talk about "state of law". They mean fascist mafia rule.

When you have to pretend that a physical reality (Russia having annexed Crimea by military force) does not exist, some kind of warning bell should go off in your head.

Except that annexation is a legal notion, thus, nothing that follows from physical reality. I know what has happened there on the ground much better than you. The disagreement is about the legal assessment.

 

[iceaura]

Except that annexation is a legal notion, thus, nothing that follows from physical reality.

Russia annexed Crimea by military force and threat. That is a physical fact, a recorded historical event. The people who make maps had to change those maps.

I know what has happened there on the ground much better than you.

Yes, you do. And yet you deny the obvious reality of the current situation. Apparently you are unwilling to use even standard terminology unless Putin's media feed approves it - we saw that with "fascist", but I mistook that for a one-off.

They don't care about what you consider as fundamental.

So? If the State owns the land without having bought it, capital does not own the most significant means of production - and the economy differs from a capitalist economy in a fundamental way.
Whether the Chinese care about not being capitalist is beside the point.

As explained, there are not unsupervised.

As you emphasized, they (the Chinese central bankers) are experts not formally regulated or transparent or curbed in their employment of expertise - that is a recipe for disaster.

Because destroying something is a process which changes something, thus, not in equilibrium, and even less stable.

The suboptimal equilibrium that frequently follows environmental degradation isn't a process of change, of course. It's an equilibrium, and very often a stable one. It can (and often does) maintain itself for hundreds of years, especially if there is no capable government at hand to enforce the sacrifices necessary for escaping it.

Ruining one's environment very often stabilizes one's economy in the ruined state, which can then last for generations - there are hundreds of examples in human history, of which islands may be the easiest for rookies and newbies to assess: try your hand at Ireland, Easter Island, Iceland, or Cyprus (see if you can untangle this analysis of Cyprus: https://www.pnas.org/content/109/10/3670 noting the key concept of "sustainability", which is the core attribute of an equilibrium). Once you have caught on, take a look at Greece or subSaharan Africa or India/Pakistan.
You could even bring your dislike of the US to bear, and consider Oklahoma or Nebraska (the agricultural regions in and around Nebraska were once the wealthiest regions, per capita, in America. New York City was poor, in comparison.)

The Chinese became richer, and then started to care about things like the environment.

They are probably too late - if you only began to care about the environment after you wrecked it for money, digging out of that hole will take a massive effort and the sacrifice of much of your wealth. Look at what they have had to do to Tibet to secure their remaining water supply - when the climate change they are abetting kicks in there won't be another Tibetan glacier field within military conquest range.

 

[Schmelzer]

Russia annexed Crimea by military force and threat. That is a physical fact, a recorded historical event. The people who make maps had to change those maps.

Wikipedia writes: "[A]nnexation is a unilateral act where territory is seized and held by one state." What happened with Crimea was something different. Crimea declared its independence after the fascist coup in Kiev. This was a decision made by the parliament of Crimea, as it was democratically elected before the coup. Then, it held a referendum about joining Russia, and, once the population of Crimea supported the proposal to join Russia, the Crimea asked Russia to join. Russia accepted this. This is named accession. There was no unilateral act.

Apparently you are unwilling to use even standard terminology unless Putin's media feed approves it - we saw that with "fascist", but I mistook that for a one-off.

You mean Western terminology? I see no reason to use it.

So? If the State owns the land without having bought it, capital does not own the most significant means of production - and the economy differs from a capitalist economy in a fundamental way.

If there is formal ownership by the state and you have sufficiently safe possibilities to rent land, or if there is ownership, with the state having the right to confiscate land if necessary, and instead of the rent the owner has to pay land tax, makes not much difference in reality.

As you emphasized, they (the Chinese central bankers) are experts not formally regulated or transparent or curbed in their employment of expertise - that is a recipe for disaster.

We will see. Up to now, there was no disaster. I'm more afraid of a disaster with banking in the US. You seem to think about the Chinese system as if it would be a Western system.

The suboptimal equilibrium that frequently follows environmental degradation isn't a process of change, of course. It's an equilibrium, and very often a stable one. It can (and often does) maintain itself for hundreds of years, especially if there is no capable government at hand to enforce the sacrifices necessary for escaping it.

The point being? The government of China seems quite capable, judging from what they have reached during the last decades.

 

[pjdude1219]

Wikipedia writes: "[A]nnexation is a unilateral act where territory is seized and held by one state." What happened with Crimea was something different. Crimea declared its independence after the fascist coup in Kiev. This was a decision made by the parliament of Crimea, as it was democratically elected before the coup. Then, it held a referendum about joining Russia, and, once the population of Crimea supported the proposal to join Russia, the Crimea asked Russia to join. Russia accepted this. This is named accession. There was no unilateral act.

well except for the fact said vote happened after a russian invasion under russian arms. crimea was an annexation. crimea secession was illegal there was no fascist coup. funny how the actual fascist calls everyone he doesn't like a fascist. sorry militarily invading another country and and having your proxies run a fake independence vote under your guns is an unilateral annexation. for someone who loves russia so much your understanding of the history and geopolitics of eastern europe is laughable.

 

[Schmelzer]

well except for the fact said vote happened after a russian invasion under russian arms. crimea was an annexation. crimea secession was illegal sorry militarily invading another country and and having your proxies run a fake independence vote under your guns is an unilateral annexation. for someone who loves russia so much your understanding of the history and geopolitics of eastern europe is laughable.

Fine. Even you acknowledge that it was there, illegal or not. Then, learn that it was a declaration of independence by the parliament. The parliament elected before the coup. Then, there was also no invasion, because the Russians were already legally in Crimea (there was a large navy base) and because the government of Crimea has requested help against the coup.

Then, everybody knows that the overwhelming majority of the Crimean population was in favor of joining Russia. Simply, for those who don't like the referendum, there have been a lot of polls even by pro-Western agencies with similar results. And the guys were not proxies, but those legally elected in the democratic elections before the coup.

there was no fascist coup. funny how the actual fascist calls everyone he doesn't like a fascist.

Here some of your non-fascist fighters:

 

[Write4U]

Fine. Even you acknowledge that it was there, illegal or not. Then, learn that it was a declaration of independence by the parliament. The parliament elected before the coup. Then, there was also no invasion, because the Russians were already legally in Crimea (there was a large navy base) and because the government of Crimea has requested help against the coup.

Then, everybody knows that the overwhelming majority of the Crimean population was in favor of joining Russia. Simply, for those who don't like the referendum, there have been a lot of polls even by pro-Western agencies with similar results. And the guys were not proxies, but those legally elected in the democratic elections before the coup.

Here some of your non-fascist fighters:

Except that those are not US military personnel, but mercenaries for hire. Hence the masks!

Note: I am totally opposed to hiring mercenaries.
The are not required to pledge allegiance to the US flag and would certainly be forbidden to pledge allegiance to the Zwastika!

 

[Schmelzer]

Here some of your non-fascist fighters:

Except that those are not US military personnel, but mercenaries for hire. Hence the masks!

I have never claimed they are US military personnel, they are not even US mercenaries. They are fighters for fascist ideas, fighters of the Azov battalion, fighting against the "Russian invasion". Wiki mentions that "In 2018, a provision in an appropriations bill passed by the U.S. Congress blocked military aid to Azov on the grounds of its white supremacist ideology." So we can be quite sure that they have received it before. More from that source:

In March 2015 Interior Minister Arsen Avakov announced that the Azov Regiment would be among the first units to be trained by United States Army troops in their Operation Fearless Guardian training mission.[45][46] US training however was withdrawn on 12 June 2015, as US House of Representatives passed an amendment blocking any aid (including arms and training) to the battalion due to its Neo-Nazi background.[47] ....
However, the amendment has since been removed as of November 2016.

so that they receive US training too.

Azov published a media release on its website on 20 November 2017 noting that, on 16 November, it had met with a foreign delegation of officers from the United States Armed Forces and Canadian Armed Forces.

The Canadians are especially active supporting Ukrainian Nazis - Canada was the preferred choice of emigration of the Bandera fascists, and they have done a lot to revive fascism in the Ukraine.

 

[pjdude1219]

I have never claimed they are US military personnel, they are not even US mercenaries.

hard to tell because you consistently call non fascist US fascist while defending the actually fascist russia

They are fighters for fascist ideas, fighters of the Azov battalion, fighting against the "Russian invasion".

showing of your rank hypocrisy we see. if the us did what russia did youd be screaming your empty little head off we were invading another country. we get it, you're a fascist wanna be that loves thugs but it still doesn't change the fact what russia did in ukraine was flagrently illegal. not to mention the fact the entire crisis was caused by russian involvment.