Write4U
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Or some properly named Utopia. The expression is neutral and does not in any way suggest something sinister.
Is a "deep thinker" an evil person?
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Is a "deep thinker" an evil person?
Write4U
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Or Trump?
Schmelzer
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"Deep" suggests that there is a lot which is not visible from outside. For a thinker, this is something good - if he does not have ideas hard to understand for the average man, he would not be a good thinker. For a state, this is evil. The state rules over other people, and those ruled at least want (and have a moral right) to know the rulers.
Certainly not. Trump is the official president, he has all the official powers. Those who simply ignore or sabotage his decisions, given their real power, are the deep state. (In principle, people in official positions may be part of the deep state too, if they, say, fulfill functions they should not according to the law, like influencing juridicial decisions.)
Write4U
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Including powers of Sedition?
Schmelzer
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For sedition you need no powers. Powers may make it more successful, that's all. (Then, learn to read - I have written "official powers".)
Write4U
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LOL.
Such as a deep state where benign official powers are applied in a professional and ethical manner?
Let me remind you, there is a guiding document which defines the "deep state" of the US.
it's called the Constitution.
Your eyesight is far from reliable - especially in matters in which you never look at physical reality.
Revoking and trashing what others did - not quite the same as doing something himself.
You have convinced me of the following: There is no such deep State in the US. If there were one, guys like you would have presented it long ago.
Trump did not leave Syria, or reduce the US. military presence in the Iraq War theater. He colluded with Turkey and Russia for some reason - to protect a couple of his business deals, seems likely - but the US military is still there, right where a Republican President needs it to be for threatening Iran and so forth.
You mean "yes", the US has plenty of capability for paramilitary violence - all of which remains after the current Republican administration has crippled US diplomatic and economic influence.
You prefer a diplomatically and economically crippled US, apparently because you think its military and paramilitary capabilities are nothing to worry about. Some kind of multipolar world will forbid the US to use its military badly, you think.
Living and learning about fascism.
You mean she succeeded in persuading others to escalate? That's possible - there's evidence others, not her, were the key persuaders, but at least you have abandoned your claim that she started two wars.
Baby steps.
Stopped some, started others apparently (the money went somewhere - more money than his predecessor designated).
Shifting money around from one terrorist group to another is not what you claimed to prefer, is it?
Maybe that's where some of it went.
Trump fails to do what you want, and instead behaves as US leftists predicted he would - you blame the "deep State". But you don't seem to know anything about this "deep State", other than its supposed opposition to Trump - in which opposition it seems to be having trouble controlling him. Are you sure Trump isn't just behaving like a normal Republican President? That's what nonPartisan US folks who know what they are talking about say, after all. The idea that a guy like Trump can acquire enough power in a few months to push a "deep State" around seems dubious, to them - and since there is no evidence of it other than Trump's failures and broken promises and so forth, the more obvious and likely factors seem more reasonable.
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The thing about the Deep State conspiracy theory is that it comes to us discourtesy the political party that spent decades telling people government doesn't work. Wrecking the bureaucracy that keeps the government operating between changing political administrations and ephemeral political appointments is pretty low, but we can't say we weren't warned. It's a glittery tinfoil vest, sure, around an enigma wrapped around a potsherd, and among the functional realities your critiques of American society seem unaware of this one is important: Conservatives have even turned on law enforcement. They do this when Democrats are in the White House, but they have long been much more selective about their targeting, per longstanding support of increased law enforcement power. The broadscale betrayal of federal law enforcement occurring under the Trump administration is most certainly not normal. And if we look at the apparent priorities, the part of the monopoly on coercive force Beltway Republicans still support, we ought not be surprised to find law enforcement behaving lawlessly, and toward children↱, at that. Inasmuch as measures of society include its regard for both the most despised and most vulnerable, the Trump administration has empowered our most awful, and directed it against our most vulnerable. Certes, let that be a testament to the values of American conservatives, who have labored throughout my lifetime, at least, to bring such outcomes to bear. More to the moment, however, no wonder Republicans need to villainize the bureaucracy that has carried them despite themselves.
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15/12/2020
Today's Karmic coincidence perhaps?
Two major problems being addressed at the same time.
Looking forward to the ending of the insanity that has persisted for the last 4 years...
Merry Christmas every one and hopefully a better New year ahead...
Today's Karmic coincidence perhaps?
Two major problems being addressed at the same time.
- Trump is formally the loser of the 2020 election as per electoral college votes by a massive number of votes.
- Nationwide COVID vaccination initiated. Hope fully the teams involved have done and are doing a good job of it.
Looking forward to the ending of the insanity that has persisted for the last 4 years...
Merry Christmas every one and hopefully a better New year ahead...
Schmelzer
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Revoking and trashing an empire during a process of destruction, and doing this in a peaceful way, is a quite complicate thing.
It is not my aim to present it, I talk about it simply as an obvious fact of life.
As I said. Trump did reduce the US military presence in Syria. That's all, more was not allowed.
I would prefer a US without military and paramilitary capabilities even much more, and would leave them in exchange diplomatic and economic abilities. But wishful thinking is not my hobby. I see that crippling the diplomatic abilities reduces the political power, that reducing the political power decreases the economic power, and decreasing economic power reduces the abilities to pay for military and paramilitary actions.
This is simply the usual Cold War thinking. The enemy does not agree to peaceful coexistence, but wants to rule your country, a direct military attack is too dangerous, so one restricts oneself to diplomatic and economic war, sometimes paramilitary or proxy war.
No. I mean she was even in the active part of that top level guys who started these wars. And, no, I have not abandoned any claim. She started two wars. This was never intended to mean that she started them alone. You can easily find corresponding claims that Obama/Biden have started two wars. Of course, starting wars is teamwork. She was part of that team, as well as Obama and Biden were, she was a top member of that criminal administration, she does not have the excuse of fulfilling only orders, and she did not step down in protest when the war was started, this is all what I need to prove that she started the war. The Nuremberg trial is the adequate precedence case about who is considered responsible for starting wars, and Ribbentrop was sentenced to death for this. She was the Ribbentrop of the Obama administration, and the Obama administration started those criminal wars. That's all we have to know to establish her responsibility.
I don't know what happened with these money, so I cannot comment. If they were sent, say, to the much less harmless terrorist groups in Hong Kong or Belarus, they have not caused serious numbers of deads. Even more plausible is that these money ended in some corrupt pockets, and, instead of harm, created jobs in some local brothels in some Corruptistan.
No. We have not seen a strong fascist leader, but a wimp who has not fulfilled what he has said some minutes before when some unknown guy has said him "no". You don't remember the many times he has talked about some withdrawing of soldiers and then done nothing? That he really wanted to withdraw them we can conclude from the fact that there was some withdrawal. Probably because the supervision was on vacation that day and after this it was too late, the troops were already gone and the Russians already having fun in that base or so.
So, if Trump would have remained in power, there would have been at least a chance of some more withdrawal, say, from Afghanistan. Now we can forget about this, the war in Afghanistan will continue, no chance for peace there before the Big Crisis following the end of the dollar as the world currency.
I don't like speculation, so I don't speculate much about it. That it exists is obvious. But it is the very point of the deep state that it remains mostly hidden. Some participants are sufficiently well-known, like the military-industrial complex (which is the most harmless part of it, because it is highly corrupt and cares only about robbing the taxpayer to sell them bolts for hundreds of dollars or so) the military itself (which also prefers not to fight that much, knowing very well that they no longer have to top quality), the globalist corporations (those who don't care much about US, because their power base are data), the media, and all those intelligence services (IMHO the most dangerous faction) and other players.
Yes, normal Republican presidents would not have withdrawn a single soldier from Syria, and would have answered the Iranian retaliation attack against that US base.
Schmelzer
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ROTFL, YMMD
Write4U
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What organizational title would you assign the Constitution?
Write4U
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Laugh all you want, you ignorant fool.
We're on the brink of civil war and it is not waged by the people who elected Biden for president.
Have you ever seen war? I have and it is not "funny"
Schmelzer
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The document which describes the official state. The deep state is roughly the difference between official state and real state. So, the constitution describes the part which is not the deep state. Ok, there are also a lot of thinks in contradiction with the constitution which have been accepted by former Supreme Court decisions as constitutional, those would also count as official state, not as deep state.
The winners has no motivation to start a civil war. It is not waged by those who elected Trump, despite them believing their election has been stolen. Which would be a sufficient cause for starting a civil war. Those who have elected Biden have made it sufficiently clear that they would start a civil war if they would lose.
Learn to read. I have not said a civil war in the US would be funny. It would simply return to the US what the US has done to many other states. I have seen enough from the Syrian war to know that war is not funny. You have elected now one of those guys responsible for starting this war. So, a criminal known for his war crimes is now your president. You have certainly morally deserved a civil war with all its horrors.
Write4U
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So, it has your approval? Good to know..!
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I am sure Navalny would agree with you. re: Russia...
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