That is correct but it also displays their gross ignorance. Christianity, like any religion, has many splinter groups that disagree with the mainstream.
The Trouble With Islam
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That is correct but it also displays their gross ignorance. Christianity, like any religion, has many splinter groups that disagree with the mainstream.
There are about 350 million Muslims living in countries where they execute you if you try to leave Islam (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Mauritania, and Pakistan). That’s the sort of barbarism that doesn’t belong in the 21st century, and anyone who kills someone simply because they decide to change religion is a savage. Does anyone want to disagree with me on that? 350 million is about 25% of the world’s Islamic population.
So now I apparently think that about 25% of Muslims are barbaric savages, because they kill people who want to leave their religion. Does that make me a religious bigot? And if so, is it necessarily a bad thing in this case?
So now I apparently think that about 25% of Muslims are barbaric savages, because they kill people who want to leave their religion. Does that make me a religious bigot? And if so, is it necessarily a bad thing in this case?
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No, I don't consider you a bigot at all. The world has a huge share of idiots - what more could you expect from a mere 25% of any very large group?
Yeah, but none of the other religions seem to be into that sort of thing any more. I'm sure the average christian is about as smart as the average muslim, but 25% of christians don't advocate murdering people switch religions. So it appears to be something that's unique to Islam.
Christians also don't burn buildings and torch flags when newspapers depict a cartoon of Jesus either.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/02/danish_muslim_cartoon_controversy_in_context/
I think this statement sums up the thread title pretty well.
"Mere 25%"?
Those are whole countries/acknowledged governments and cultures, not "idiots".
If they were mere 'Idiots' or had Islam very wrong, I would expect the other 75% to protest- and tell them they have it wrong.
But most of them know the 25% have it Right.
Even in 'moderate' countries like Egypt, another 75 million people not mentioned above, ("Idiots"?), if really free elections were held, an Islamist regime would be elected.
So that 25% may be low. Very Low.
Did I miss the "Muslims for America" march after 9/11 in Washington DC? (or London after 7/7)
Consistent with my opening post And Opinion/Point here:
Irshad Manji: Denial is Scouge of Islam
"...The trouble with Islam today is that Literalism is Mainstream.
Even moderate Muslims take the Koran as the final word of God: unfiltered, unchanged and unchangeable.
This supremacy complex inhibits us from asking hard questions about what happens when faith becomes dogma. Such a path can lead only to a dead end of more violence...."
http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/news/theaustralian-05-08-22.html
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Carcano
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Not according to Christ.
As it is written: Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Carcano
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"The Law or the Prophets" you mean.
The Law usually refers to Jewish law as spelled out by the Torah.
The Prophets refers to the teachings of the great Hebrew prophets throughout the later parts of the old testament.
Remember, Jesus was a hardcore arch-conservative Jew from first to last, who never said a word about creating a different religion.
Kind of a blasé answer(s).
"Seems common enough".. Where? with whom? Islam? Christianity? Judaism?
The point being .. probably 90% of Judaism and Christianities adherents are non-literalists, while in Islam the Majority are.
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Yes but Matthew specifically cites the Commandments.
You are asking me to 'remember' something that I don't necessarily agree with. He talked extensively about "coming to the Father only through him [Jesus]"; this I would argue is quite a leap from ordinary Judaism of any type.
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M*W: That's why it's obvious to me that christianity is a false religion (well, they're all false), but I just don't understand why the people involved in christianity cannot see the forest for the trees. There is so much dissention within the ranks of christianity, there's no wonder it's dying worldwide.
M*W's Friendly Atheist Quote of the day:
"The reason there are so many opinions is that no one knows the Truth." ~ Joan Konner, editor
You obviously have never read the OT.
Give me some examples as to what Judaism and Christianity as a general public disregard as literal.
I suppose it would be succinct to say that this applies to atheists as well.
You obviously have never read the subsequent posts
The entire old testament for starters. I went through 12 years of catholic school never was I told the OT was to be taken as literal.
That they don't have ALL the answers?? Yeah, difference is, they know it.
proof positive you didn't read
No Jesus said specifically "turn the other cheek" "love your neighbor as yourself" "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" That is incompatible with the OT. Muhammed never went that far, so the Quran is more in line with the OT.
edit: btw that's exactly why you have the OLD testament and the NEW testament they aren't the same..get it?
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He also said, "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." Matthew 10:34.
The NT is a censored version of the OT, so to speak. Any Christian who doesn't follow the OT has no basis in following the NT, because both are inextricably intertwined. The NT is based off the OT, and this website shows massive similarities through direct quotation.
http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm