The sayings of the Prophets and Saints.
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That's who we fight in the Middle East.
Go watch FOX some more. Uhg
Commenting no.
Making facile and unwarranted assumptions yes.
Can't stand those liars.
Then who are the ones telling you that you are "invading" the middle east to "fight terrorists"
Your not over there to gain strategic posiitions and secure a foothold and then tap into the oil pipe lines right?
Yeah your over there defending the muslim people yeah right, more like your killing the muslim civi's and backing israels illegal embargo of paletine and dont evn say it's not an embargo israel has control over all the shipments that go into palestine, they police the pali people and tell them what items they are even allowed int here houses, they wont even allow enough concrete or building amterials or computers. they attacl all the flotillas that reach them with aid and actualy attack and fire upon the aid workers.
Are you blind? can't you see america are tyrants? can;t you see they are the ones who have invaded and over thrown over 40 seperate governments since 1945?
Ugh
And we will invade and overthrow as many as we need to. This isn't a Fox news invention, 9/11 really happened. We are defending ourselves. Civilians get killed in war too, that's not a reason against war, (and I know you believe in war). I'm also sure you believe opium and terrorism are legitimate exports, but wouldn't it be nice if people had some options? Like the Saudis enjoy?
''While chanting the name of the Lord one should earn Divine wealth. The divine wealth to be earned are kindness, nonviolence, freedom from lust, truth, equality, equanimity, detachment, stability of mind, control over senses, seriousness, compassion, friendship, brilliance and tolerance. ''
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
This is a good quote, I think all so called religious people (and secular humanists) going to war against their fellow man should have this in mind.
go to any bible and look at the footnotes,
phrases like 'some manuscripts say' (or don't say)
is an indicator of its editing.
phrases like 'some manuscripts say' (or don't say)
is an indicator of its editing.
Yazata
Valued Senior Member
This post seems to be about as close as "Chi" has yet come to actually discussing the subject of prophetism.
Why must a prophet believe in your God? I think that it's true that prophets in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic family of religions are expected to do that, naturally enough, but prophecy doesn't seem be to restricted to just those three related religions.
Even in Judaism and Christianity, there's no belief that prophets were sent to earth from anyplace else. (From where?) Do Muslims believe that about Mohammed? (I don't think so. The Quran maybe, which I understand many Muslims believe to be heavenly and eternal. But not the man himself.) Prophets are earth-people, members of the community, who, so these religions' tradition says, were chosen to convey God's opinions. (For some unknown theological reason, God never seems to speak to people directly.)
What about oracles, shamans, seers and diviners, rishis, gurus, spiritualist mediums, and many similar sorts of figures, all of whom purport to bring the world information derived from transcendental sources? I perceive Judeo-Christian-Islamic prophets as belonging to that broader class of religious figure.
Where do these criteria originate? (Please don't say "God".) What is their source in religious tradition, philosophy, scripture, or wherever you found them? What justification is there for the rest of us who aren't adherents of the tradition where they originated accepting these particular criteria and not some others?
So people can only recognize prophets if they... can already recognize prophets? Isn't that circular?
Maybe the 'pre-requisites' are false. Maybe prophets in general aren't bound by them, even if those in your own Islamic tradition are.
Isn't mischief precisely what you're trying to spread here on Sciforums?
In these situations, perhaps the true voice of wisdom is the skeptical voice.
Why must a prophet believe in your God? I think that it's true that prophets in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic family of religions are expected to do that, naturally enough, but prophecy doesn't seem be to restricted to just those three related religions.
Even in Judaism and Christianity, there's no belief that prophets were sent to earth from anyplace else. (From where?) Do Muslims believe that about Mohammed? (I don't think so. The Quran maybe, which I understand many Muslims believe to be heavenly and eternal. But not the man himself.) Prophets are earth-people, members of the community, who, so these religions' tradition says, were chosen to convey God's opinions. (For some unknown theological reason, God never seems to speak to people directly.)
What about oracles, shamans, seers and diviners, rishis, gurus, spiritualist mediums, and many similar sorts of figures, all of whom purport to bring the world information derived from transcendental sources? I perceive Judeo-Christian-Islamic prophets as belonging to that broader class of religious figure.
Where do these criteria originate? (Please don't say "God".) What is their source in religious tradition, philosophy, scripture, or wherever you found them? What justification is there for the rest of us who aren't adherents of the tradition where they originated accepting these particular criteria and not some others?
So people can only recognize prophets if they... can already recognize prophets? Isn't that circular?
Maybe the 'pre-requisites' are false. Maybe prophets in general aren't bound by them, even if those in your own Islamic tradition are.
Isn't mischief precisely what you're trying to spread here on Sciforums?
In these situations, perhaps the true voice of wisdom is the skeptical voice.
Yazata
Valued Senior Member
And you're some kind of muslim, following false prophets in my opinion.
But what justifies you in saying that Joseph Smith and the LDS prophets are false? Lets see how they stack up according to the Muslim (I assume) criteria that you posted earlier.
I'm not sure that the LDS prophets satisfy this one, but it takes quite a bit of imagination to see how any of the Biblical prophets were specifically foretold. And only Islam seems to insist that prophecy has finally ceased. Both Judaism and Christianity have strongly downplayed prophecy during their subsequent histories, probably in hopes of reducing the chance of prophet-inspired heresy, but both religions still formally accept the possibility that more prophets might appear.
The LDS certainly honor the old testament prophets.
The LDS acknowledge the Judeo-Christian God. (I don't think that they took Islam very much into account.)
Bottom line is that the Latter Day Saints seem to do pretty well according to your rather mysterious criteria of prophethood. Probably as well as Mohammed himself, I'd say.
""Jehovah Witness""" believe that Micheal Christ came back in 1913 ? I think that is the date they claim . I don't know if they mean physically or metaphorically. The Adventist say Christ is Micheal before he was Jesus and expected his return in 1843 or there about . It was known as the Great Disappointment I believe?
The L.D.S. writings by Brigham Young , which I read the manuscript some time ago talk about Jesus being the spirit of Michael. Also the whole Adam - god - Jesus thing . Where Adam is first Man and God- Micheal . This doctrine was dropped by the official church in public view , but the writings and debate of the writings still exist and lots of L.D.S. hold firm to the belief . F.L.D.S. I believe still do out right . Check out the Adam -God thing
I just read that and his comment off your quote...
I study Wing Chun currently and have in the past studied Shaolin and for a brief period Karate.
Bushido is NOT a martial art, it is a code of honor for Samurai.
Not only Japanese martial arts and martial arts.
I picked the name Shogun for my love for Strategic and Military Sciences, and after reading the Book of Five Rings, I became intrigued with Japanese military philosophy, thus my username.
I would not doubt it, it have had a long history and been through many translations, who knows what people did to it, but I believe the gist remains. Accidental translation and comprehension errors are possible. However, I go by the King James Bible, better than the million other modern copies out there in my opinion.
Jerusalem is under siege!
I plan on joining and serving the Canadian Forces. I always have been fond of Military and Strategic Sciences, it is my passion.You again are pressing your beliefs on others. I have told you, I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
What do you mean idolize only Jesus? Your claims about your other statements do not stand.
Umm...no, I read and study History, and pay specific attention to Military History. I have not looked down on Muslims, I merely said it is not my belief. If that is an offense to you, then you chose to take it as an offense. I talk about Muslim extremists as they have been in fact.
He did not insult the Lord, you interpreted it as an insult to the Lord.
Wait, don't tell me...the "American" education system brainwashed me about the Crusaders and the witch hunts as well
You take offense in the absence of insult to any religion and beliefs, I have insulted certain figures such as Pope Gregory IV ( correct me if I'm wrong, the Pope that proclaimed the Crusade ). You continue to interpret them as an offense to your religion, and proclaim I have offended you and your religion whereas you have openly done so about mine.
I have a Muslim friend thank you very much, his family is Persian, from Iran, one of my closest friends in fact and I just played a Rugby exhibition match with him today, our inside center-backer ( I'm outside center ).
Do you have any detail pertaining to the ongoing on our sacrament meetings? Do you even know how we pray?
Doesn't seem like it thus far to me.
Also, you seem that you want to force everyone to believe in the religion you believe and follow your traditions and culture, shall I quote you from the past as well?
We eat pork we believe we have the right to do so.
We don't wear the Cross in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
I suggest you do not make false claims, for your own reputation and your credibility.
Nothing is in pure form because they all have been written by man and man is imperfect.