Godless said:
The thing is Superluminal that once one is blinded by faith, it's hard to see logic, it's even harder to comprehen reason, and damn near impossible to try and teach an idiot who has been brains washed for so long the evil that their religious nature brings out. Who's religion is right? who determines? Society? What the hell is society? We are all individuals, and a demographic area of individuals that try and live together form a society, whatever religion happens to have been "forced by religious leaders" to that particular society is the domanating belief, those who opposed such beliefs are nothing but a memory, they are killed, mained, or remain silenced to save their neck. No religion in history other than Budhism, Taoism, I think formed without much violence, all the rest, were forced upon people. Christianity, Catholicism, Judeaism, all these were formed by force.
Dimondhearts is brain washed, he will fight tooth and nail, to defend his beliefs, he can't stand the fact, that he may just be wrong! What a waste of life, if he/she finds that all his/her's life has been a pathetic lie. Every religious individual fights for their belief, they try to reason, unreason, they try to point out logic, to the unlogical. One can show them contradictions in their manuscript "bable or Qua'ran, Vedas etc.." whatever and they first assume that the other party does not understand, or does not know anything, they claim we take things out of context, that we are just not of that particular religion, as if it took that to read.
In my studies of Islam, I went to the source. The Qua'ran it is not a perfect book, it's not without discripancies or contradictions just like all the rest of ancient manuscript proclaimed to be the word of some false god. I then went to former member of this religion, they should know more about it since they lived it, they experienced it, they practiced it. I get most of my information from these sources. They have seen the lies first hand, these people in the Islam religion must hide, or deny that they dont believe cause it would cost them their life if they let it be known, unless they live in the west. Hell it's writen right there in the Qua'ran;
It is really easy for you to say that i am blinded by faith, however you cannot prove this. Do you know what I am thinking, no you don't? I can also say that you are blinded by your disbelief and that too has the same meaning. Rather I will say that your anti-religion bias is your determining factor in your condemnantion of Islam which is unfounded.
Islam provides the perfect life and model for human beings to live by and it's my firm belief that Islam is the only way to live. If you don't have Islam in your life, Allah help you. Islam has always been very kind and courteous toward other religions. Infact, Islam allows religions to practice in its societies while still kepping Islamic theology dominant. The Christians, Jews, Hindus and Pagans all have enjoyed protection and justice under nearly one thousand four hundreds years of islamic dominance in the Middle East. Tell me, has there ever been a time in Islamic history where Christians, Jews, or Hindus have been killed other than in wars between two countries? No, there hasn't. Muslims never persecuted any religion. It was the Christians which killed the Moors who showed them the utmost respect. The Crusaders who spilled Muslim blood in Palestine followed by the modern Israeli Jews. The Hindus which killed and oppressed the Muslims of India leading to the creation of Pakistan and Bangladesh. The Serbs and Croats who genocidically massacred many Albanian and Bosnian Muslims. The
Athiest Russians who ethnically cleansed the native Muslims of Tataristan, the Vainakhs of Chechnya and Dagestan as well as the indigenous Muslims of Central Asian republics. The Muslim Africans who were brought to the British colonies and forced into slavery and Christianity. Islam has had a very kind and nurturing attitude toward all people. It is only too bad that humanity's senselessness has not given proper respect to Islam. Today, where have the Muslims started wars? It is the West and its servants that initiate war against Muslims and their way of life. But Allah is the Most Just and Justice will be served.
You said you went to the Quran for your studies of Islam? What does this mean? Did you read a translation of the Quran from its original Arabic? Which translation did you read? Did you read a translation which explained to you the meaning of the real Arabic words? How much of it did you read? What 'non-existent' contradictions did you find? You went to a former member of Islam? An American? Does he know Islam? Did he convert to Islam? Did you meet him personally or did you visit his website? What kind of source would tell you so wrong that you would come to someone else to try to tell them that Islam is violent. Definately not a very knowledgeable source. If someone said something, does it make it true? So many questions, I look forward to your responses if you have any. If what you actually said was true.
Godless said:
* "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people
(assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His
Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent,
it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate
Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in
wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish
regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them:
for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
The treaty obligation was to the Makkan Pagans lead under Kaffirun and Munafiqeen who massacred a tribe which was sympathetic to the state of Medina (Yathrib) which broke the treaty between the Muslims of Madinah and the Kaffirun of Makkah, it proceeded the conquest of the rival Makkan State. Here is the full context. This shows your deciet and hypocrisy
9:1-15
A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger
dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
(But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque?
As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.
How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds.
But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and
took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
Godless said:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued," (9:29).**
Nice religion!
Godless
After proving your blatant decietful lies and falsehood. It is you sir who is trying to brainwash others, not me.
This is a following verse to the same chapter, At Tauba (The Repentance), and in reality the same event.
How can you claim to properly read the Quran if you read only 3 verses out of 29 and skipped 26 of them? Shame on you.
Allah give you Peace.
