The Qur'an

[iceaura]

But there's no tweaking Iceaura.

There is nothing else. The Quran contains no factual information at all except possibly some historical trivia. It contains as well a fair amount of myth and mysticism - not just an absence of accurate factual description, but a presence of fiction actively endorsed. Noah, for example.

So in the example I presented re: Prof. Moore and many other scientists of his calibre; were all "naive" in their interpretations as well?

To the extent that you were correct in your interpretation of what Moore et al actually claimed: Deluded, naive, foolish - yep. It's a pretty silly enterprise, if you stop and think a minute.

 

[S.A.M.]

Those who can read arabic and know Quaran well. please tell what do the writings on the boy's leg say.

It reads, this is a case of urticarial dermographism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatographic_urticaria

 

[Michael]

Hahahahahaha...... If anyone wants to learn how to dodge requests.... Here is your example..... What happened Michael tongue-tied..... why did you specifically include those philosophies into a question that didn't need them to be there, and then you are asking for something from the Quran which was already given to you but you didn't respond to that before but expect people to continue responding to your 'hit and run' BS tactics--



Its obvious to me why you're at the lower class of intelligent people (I'm being nice, should be 'unintelligent people' that belong in the Cesspool )

Peace be upon

Geesh give a person a chance to get up and take a piss - some of us like to have a beer once in awhile....



Something enlightening from Indian philosophy you want? OK, I find this very enlightening: mindful empathetic meditation. This well thought-out Indian approach to life ultimately seeks to alleviate suffering and works both by via altering neural plasticity as well as increasing neurogenesis in the hippocampus. Imagine that, a superstition that actually leads to reduced fear and anxiety on a physiological level.

Compare this to core monotheistic ideas such as the God who relies on the promise of eternal hell-fire and tricks such as a tax on non-believers or virgins in heaven to coerce belief. These beliefs (especially if taught at a young age) will ALSO modulate the brain. They have a DIRECT effect on neural conductivity. If one lives their whole life in fear of a God that sits in judgment – expect that person's brain to be completely rewired towards this fear. Now look back on Bizza's responses.

Indian philosophy (perhaps epitomized by Indian Buddhists) may not have known what was happening but they figured out how to apply their approach of mindful empathetic meditation to affect neural plastic and the remodeling which occurrs over years of meditation, and increase numbers of neurons in the limbic system - this statistically significant increase can be measured using an MRI to show correlated increased hippocampal volume equating to a better functioning limbic system - which regulates sense of well being. This sort of meditation can work at treating clinical depression - people, regardless of superstition, actually become mentally well.



Now's there's a superstition with an upshot. IMM, if people are going to be superstitious, THEN lets ensure that this superstitious isn't f*cking up their brains. Believe it or not, but, how you use your brain effects the functioning of your brain. Here we have a worthwhile philosphy centered not around fear of Hellfire or inherently intolerant ideas of a one and only "Perfect Book" or "Only One True God" or "Last and Only Perfect Prophet" but around increasing empathy for fellow humans and bettering sense of well being - THAT actually work.



I think teaching this sense of mind-body connection is something that all University students should be exposed to at some point in their education process.


AND you know what, I also think all Uni students should learn a thing of two about the Islam too. They should learn that it's not any more or any less valid a religion than any other superstition. They should learn the archeological bases for where the stories in the Qur'an originated from - as well as all the Greek and Persian words embedded in these stories. They should walk away understanding why ideas like the Only Perfect Religious Book, the Only Last true Prophet, the Only true God lead to division and war and are not acceptable in today's multicultural societies. Sadly, this has probably been Islam's greatest gift to mankind - to stand as a testament to what's so utterly wrong with the monotheistic philosophy.

 

[S.A.M.]

: mindful empathetic meditation.

wtf is that? Sounds like one of those scams like "Art of Living". Buddhism is the least relevant Indian philosophy in India. Presently it is used by Dalit leaders to keep their constituents under their thumbs. And the Dalai Lama to milk the government for his expenses.

 

[iceaura]

Buddhism is the least relevant Indian philosophy in India. Presently it is used by Dalit leaders to keep their constituents under their thumbs. And the Dalai Lama to milk the government for his expenses.

And of course the Quran can be evaluated similarly. Right?

 

[S.A.M.]

And of course the Quran can be evaluated similarly. Right?

Sure. Who is using it?

 

[iceaura]

Sure. Who is using it?

A bunch of suicide bombers and genital mutilators, the princelings of Saud and Yemen and Kuwait and the public torturers of the lesser 'stans, the chador enforcers and the heroin dealers and the organized rape campaigns of the Pakistani army.

Among others.

 

[S.A.M.]

A bunch of suicide bombers and genital mutilators, the princelings of Saud and the public torturers of the lesser 'stans, the chador enforcers and the heroin dealers and the organized rape campaigns of the Pakistani army.

Among others.

Can I see some evidence?

 

[iceaura]

Can I see some evidence?

Of what? That the Pakistani army is generally Muslim, including its command? That Muslims base their religion on the writings of the Quran?

 

[S.A.M.]

Of what? That the Pakistani army is generally Muslim, including its command? That Muslims base their religion on the writings of the Quran?

No that the Qur'an is irrelevant to them outside these practices [or even in them] Note that I was discussing the relevance of Buddhist philosophy to Indian society. The process of conversion of the Dalits from Hinduism to Buddhism and the much vaunted Dalai Lama are the only two instances which can be related to Buddhism in India. As a religion, most converted Buddhists are still following their preconversion beliefs. Hence Buddhism per se is irrelevant, since the devotees do not really care about anything except getting out of the caste system [if at all, since they still use the OBC certifications for education and work and are loth to give up their lower status]

How do you compare this to the examples you gave?

 

[iceaura]

No that the Qur'an is irrelevant to them outside these practices [or even in them] Note that I was discussing the relevance of Buddhist philosophy to Indian society

And I am following your lead, discussing the relevance of Quranic philosophy to Eurasian society, using examples.

Female genital mutilation, suicide bombers, lynching of people connected to offensive cartoons, rape as a military tactic, the theocratic governments of various famously Quran based places, etc.

 

[S.A.M.]

Hmm I see what you mean. Muslims following cultural practices not mentioned in the Quran is the same as Buddhists worshipping Hindu Gods or living in exile until they can return to the position as Chief Pooh Bah in their older slavocracy.

 

[iceaura]

Muslims following cultural practices not mentioned in the Quran is the same as Buddhists worshipping Hindu Gods or living in exile until they can return to the position as Chief Pooh Bah in their older slavocracy.

Pretty much, yes, in the cases mentioned. I don't think that worshipping Hindu gods is specifically mentioned in Buddhist philosophy, or the role fo the Dalai Lama for that matter.

 

[S.A.M.]

Pretty much, yes, in the cases mentioned. I don't think that worshipping Hindu gods is specifically mentioned in Buddhist philosophy, or the role fo the Dalai Lama for that matter.

Right. So what are you saying different from what I am saying, since we seem to be an impasse?

 

[786]

Something enlightening from Indian philosophy you want? OK, I find this very enlightening: mindful empathetic meditation. This well thought-out Indian approach to life ultimately seeks to alleviate suffering and works both by via altering neural plasticity as well as increasing neurogenesis in the hippocampus. Imagine that, a superstition that actually leads to reduced fear and anxiety on a physiological level.

I didn't ask for anything from those philosophies.... you just wanted to say something. Secondly if you're talking about meditation, then Muslims have the concept of 'muraqba' and 'Tafakkur'- go read the literature. You actually think rather than start humming to feel good.

And lastly I find that the chinese sat down thought about buddhism and then just went to some of the deadliest wars- they understood humanity at a enlightened level A lot of china is full of just wars- one dynasty trying to overthrow another.

Peace be unto you

 

[(Q)]

Clearly you have not read the Qur'an

That would be a common complaint about you, Sam, who NEVER reads anything presented, NEVER reads the books criticized.

Yes, we've read the Quran, Sam. It's a very dangerous ideology based on myths and superstitions.

 

[(Q)]

it was due to your attacks on my faith and its ummah that I started to post here.

Love to see you reiterate the things you said in my backyard IN PERSON and INFRONT OF MY FACE if you have the balls, rather than being a scared, belligerent, vile and irrationally minded little twat sitting behind the safety of a computer screen? Do you think you could say the things you said in public and get away with it? You better not be in my backyard buddy, 'cos I'd rip you to shreds you piece of shit.

You've been indoctrinate well into your cult. You demonstrate exactly what is expected and what we've come to see from other Muslims here, a penchant for violence while claiming the religion of peace. And, you demonstrate quite evidently that your ideology is very dangerous to mankind, especially non-Muslims.

And no, it's not likely I can get away with saying anything about Islam in public. People like you will be waiting in the dark to put a knife in my back or slit my throat walking down the street. Religion of peace.

I will ALWAYS have a militant mindset and attitude towards you and Mickhead, until you both start showing a bit of respect, at least.

People like you who place their cult over all else, making demands and promising violence if you don't get your way deserve no respect.

Then we "may" actually be able to have a decent and intelligent discussion, so that we can share our views (and counter-views) without discourse and foul mouthed accusations that only serve to polarize all of us and perpetuate hate.

It is your cult that perpetuates hate, has no decency or intelligence and is foul to the core.

Until then, I will not respond to you again. You're just wasting time.

Of course, if we don't bow to Islam as the one and only true religion of peace, you'll kill us all.

 

[S.A.M.]

That would be a common complaint about you, Sam, who NEVER reads anything presented, NEVER reads the books criticized.

Yes, we've read the Quran, Sam. It's a very dangerous ideology based on myths and superstitions.

Who's "we"? Is there more than one of you? :roflmao:

 

[(Q)]

Who's "we"? Is there more than one of you? :roflmao:

Yes Sam, there is more than one member here on these forums who has read the Quran. How is that funny, Sam?:shrug:

 

[(Q)]

Muslims following cultural practices not mentioned in the Quran ...

...is hypocrisy.