No, you can not use physical and scientific jargon to prove your superhero who only exist in your and your kind (God believer)'s dream world.
Besides your continual hand waiving and protests towards a valid argument, you still cannot contest to it can you? It's quite obvious by the way. You have nowhere to run or hide (logically) and you resort to rhetoric by claiming I use "scientific jargon"? That's your response? Great... you just reaffirmed my assumptions of the atheist mind all along! LOL!
No, science doesn't play this game. You Qur'an doesn't provide anything other than what ancient observers already found out through their observations. These are written, known things, your Qur'an just made plagiarism, Qur'an brought nothing new to humanity.
Oh reaaaaalllly? Well you better be prepared to answer the article below... responding to your (and Michhead's) audacious and ignorant claims. Not only that, did you read that verse I provided on Black Holes? Now how again did the Roman's, Greek's or any ancient's know about Black Holes again? That's right... they didn't!
This is the main difference. I don't have to believe in things that I don't know. But obviously you do. And don't try to steal the achievements of human minds -and only human minds- in order to prove your imaginary character.
Of course, we call this process as "evolution of human thought". We started on trees and in caves as bunch of apes. We didn't fall from heavens. We evolved from animals, and biologically we are still animals. Everything has a prior history. What I am saying is, God is nowhere in this equation, or outside of this equation. Because it does not exist. It is an imagination.
And how do you think all these preceding animals became "evolved" again? Do you even have an idea, or is it that you just don't know? I think it would be the latter eh? How did "life" (abiogenesis) begin Baftan? Did these dumb, mute, senseless and unconscious atoms somehow "evolve" into consciousness all by themselve's? Plllllleeeeaaaaassssse!!! THAT belief is the MOST rediculous of them all and one that any rational and sensible thinking person should NEVER accept.
No, "using ancient's knowledge as a word of God and tell people that this is his words" is plagiarism. Your mind boggles because it is God infested.
Muslims were advanced not because they were reading and extracting knowledge from Qur'an. They were advanced because they translated ancients' knowledge, observed physical things and applied their knowledge on physical things. Not because they were muslims, because they were human beings. Qur'an has nothing to do with Algebra.
Ancient knowledge and thus, modern thinking also, stemms from God Himself since the dawn of Mankind. So everything you have learned to date is owed due to the teachings and inspirations of God, handed down to over 120,000 Prophets during this time. These teachings are not so much as "scientific" detail to be used only in science, but are teachings that encompass all facets of life in the most basic yet fundamental way possible. This is because God
does allow Human's to further themselve's
and think for themselve's and
not to be some sort of "automatron"!
Science came to similar conclusion with a piece of knowledge which was known thousands of years before Qur'an. If Qur'an didn't accept that already well established knowledge, it would have been difficult to expect some people to believe it. Many of other Qur'anic verses were falsified many times, but that didn't make any effect on some muslim populations. Due to fear, ignorance, comfort, or for any other reason.
And which verses "were falsified many times" again? Do prey tell oh wise one!
Science doesn't deal with mumbo jumbo. It deals with physically existing things. It means everything has physical background. So Big Bang should also have a physical background, history, reason or cause. Not the imaginary God(s) of Agricultural era.
And why not? Is the "Agricultural era" beneath you?
When you make comments that reflect EXACTLY what I have been contesting all along... it is
sheer reality that you agree with me. You can't contest this no matter how much you try to use your usual rhetoric and hand waiving.
I only dislike the word "creation" for political, logical, and philosophical reasons. I have no problem with human mind. I have problems with false religions such as the one you promote and try to poison fellow human minds.
No, it is the likes of you and your kind that are poisoning the rest of the rational and sensible thinkers of this world. Make no mistake about it!
You DO have a problem with the word "creation" and you even admitted it by saying, "no not this disgusting word (creation)". Wanna try to wriggle your way outta that one?
All in all, Qur'an is nothing but a lullaby. It has nothing new, it has no point, just an archaic melody for archaic people. Get over.
It's you that should "get over" it. If the way we think and believe is of no problem to you all, then why attack us? Why not just get on with your live's and just be happy for yourselve's that you think you are above us "archaic" people. Why can't you just get over that? But noooooo... you can't help yourselve's can you? You have to try to convince us of your immense logic (*cough*hillarious*) and invade our societies with your diseased theories that have no real cohesive philosophical content, let alone any scientific fact to support it to begin with! Sounds a lot like the claims you make of us don't you think? But nooooo... bring on the rhetoric instead, as usual, with no sensible argument, logic nor science whatsoever! Then enter your usual "cheerleaders" to create the atmosphere for yourselve's. Make yourselve's comfy people... it's going to be a bumpy ride!
PS: Bizza gave an answer, Bizza said it was because academics are stuck up snobs who think they know more then Bizza. Well Bizza knows a lot of stuff too! Bizza smart.... Damn akadeemics...
It would be nice if you could actually back up claims for once? But sadly and expectedly, you dissapoint and fail miserably, as usual.
And where exactly did I say "academics are stuck up snobs"? hmmm? I really do feel you are desparately trying to reach out to your brethren and also in need of a psychological assesment, immediately, before you explode from self-induced-rage!
Isn't there's a much more simple and reasonable answer as to why both these books are not on the core curriculum list?
If you actually
did some research, you would have found a plethora of faculties in academia that do actually contain the Qur'an in their libraries? Not only this, there are renowned scientist's that use the Quran within their curriculum... and they're not even Arab's or even Muslim. Funny that hey?
Just a foreword before I destroy your claims with evidences to the contrary, I would like you to be aware that the Quran is
not a book of science alone and is not supposed to be used as a text to assertain and learn detailed scientific phenomena's. Instead, (as I already mentioned before), it is a book of signs, inspiration and
guidance to think for ourselve's and unlock the marvels of life and all that dwells within the universe. Needless to say, it is also a book of moral laws to draw upon in cases where Human intuition alone does not suffice. And much much more! So in effect, it is a book about just about everything in one way or another, in its fundamental state. The rest is up for us to conceive, think, learn and experience for ourselve's.
Now onto the counter-facts to your rediculous claims hey Mickhead?
Some scientific truths are used for a wider understanding of the Holy Qur'an.
After a study which lasted ten years, the famous French physician Maurice Bucaille addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 and expressed the complete agreement of the Qur'an and established findings of modern science. He presented his study on the fact that the Holy Qur'an includes certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction.
The reason behind this choice was that "how can a text produced at the time of the Qur'an could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times".
Decades later a noted embryologist Keith L. Moore and expert in his field, upon being presented with the statements made in the Qur'an regarding the stages of the formation of the embryo from the mixing of the male and female gametes up to the embryo's full development remarked "It has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about Human Development.
Professor Moore presented his findings to scientists at several conferences. Several Canadian periodicals published many of Moore's statements. He moreover presented three television programmes in which he highlighted the compatibility of modern science with what has been revealed in the Qur'an 1400 years ago.
Consequently, he was asked: "Does this mean that you believe that the Qur'an is the word of Allah?" to which he replied "I find no difficulty in accepting this."
Actually Professor Moore was mesmerized at the preciseness of the descriptions and the terminology used for various stages of the development of the embryo. He included all the relevant Qur'anic verses and authentic statements of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) into his book, The Developing Human: Clinically oriented embryology with Islamic additions, which was published by WB Saunders in 1987 and was used afterwards as a university textbook in the United States.
The book now contains verses from the Qur'an and the Hadith (verified statements of Prophet Mohammad 'PBUH') for every stage of development and Professor Moore has also adopted the clbuttification used in the above two sources.
Consider also the statement of Tejatet Tejasen (Professor at the Dept. of Anatomy, Faculty of Medicine, Chiang Mei University, Thailand) after his study on the Qur'an Surrahs and verses dealing with embryology:
"From my studies and what I have learnt at this conference I believe that everything that has been stated in the Qur'an 1400 years ago is true. That can be proved the scientific way". Also the statement of E. Marshal Johnson (Professor and Chairman, Dept. of Anatomy, Daniel Bough Insbreastute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, USA) when he became aware of such statements in the Qur'an and studied them: "The Qur'an describes not only the development of external form but emphasizes also the internal stages - the stages inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science... "
Actually Islam can be used as a guide to science and scientisits by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an.
Consider also the statement of T.V.N. Persaud (Professor and Head, Dept. of Anatomy, Faculty of Medicine and Dentistry, University of Manitoba, Canada): "Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was illiterate... we are talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature... I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) to these statements".
These are some quotes from the "Scientific Community" concerning the divine nature and the origins of the Holy Qur'an. In fact the Qur'an and Hadith do not just talk about embryology but many more phenomenon including the earth and sun being round, spinning around their own axis and following their own orbits, the origin and formation of the universe, the two types of seas between which is a barrier, the role of mountains in stabilising the earths crust, the formation of milk in cows, the location of pain receptors within the body, the expansion of the universe, the precise nature of the water cycle, the change in atmospheric pressure at high albreastudes, the gender of the bee which is responsible for producing honey (female), the stars consuming themselves via the combustion of their gases and this being the source of their light and many more.
So peoples academic capabilities might differ yet they can go and ask those who have knowledge, those who are in a position to make such a judgement, like those quoted above. [
source]
Now to add further, here is a list of "
Universities" that seem to store the Quran in their "
libraries" Mickhead. Their
librarieeeeeees.... and in
Universitiiiieeeeees I tells ya!
Academic Courses using the Qur'an
"Teaching the Qur'an Online and Over Time: A Virtual Seminar" (Bruce B. Lawrence, Duke University, and Daniel Varisco, Hofstra University)
"The Qur'an, Hadith, and the Prophet Muhammad" (Alan Godlas, University of Georgia)
"The Qur'an," (Barbara R. von Schlegell, Department of Religious Studies, University of Pennsylvania), with an extensive bibliography
al-Qur'an, from the "Al-Khazina [The Treasury]" website, (Jerome Clinton, Princeton University)
"Seminar on the Qur'an," (Neguin Yavari, Columbia University)
"Islamic Scriptures: The Qur’an and Hadith," (Amir N. Zamani, Rutgers University)
"The Qur'an (Koran) in Translation," (Valerie Hoffman, University Of Illinois)
"The Qur'an as Literature" (Carl Ernst, University of North Carolina)
Still confused Mickhead?:shrug: There's a nice warm white jacket and a nice white padded room for you waiting... just in case.
