I'll agree to that. However i dont see the radar cases as physical evidence of ETI, just a UFO.
Thats great then. If the physical evidence for UFO's proves UFO's are a physical craft:
So UFOs could be:
A:ETI
B: Man-made
C: Time travellers from the future
D: Some bizarre and unknown fluctuation in space time
In reverse order:
D: Extremely far-fetched, and absolutely no reason to believe such a phenomena exists
C: No reason to believe time travel is possible
Leaving us with
A
B
Now let's examine them.
Comparision of A to B
1: Considering UFO have seen around 1940's and some early sightings from centuries ago.
The sightings from centuries ago arnt backed up with physical evidence and are not conclusive, the 1940's was the height of development of craft due to the ongoing war, its possible they developed one but couldnt arm it(therefore making it useless in war
I agree, the sightings from the far past, are inconclusive. As we are considering a completely different time period, in which if UFO's and aliens were even seen, they would be given symbolic names: Like ghosts, demons, flying chariots, fireballs, shields gods, devils, vampires etc. Our job is to decypher their real meanings - are they referring to a fictional god or a ghost, or a modern day UFO and ETI encounter.
Some accounts are very compelling, and almost identical to a modern UFO encounter. So all common skeptical hypothesis would not even apply:
Things like ships were seen in the sky over Italy..... At Arpi [in Italy] a round shield was seen in the sky.... At Capua, the sky was all on fire, and one saw figures like ships....
In Japan, on October 27, 1180, an object shaped like a glowing "earthenware vessel" flew across the sky at midnight. On September 24, 1235, a General named Yoritsume saw mysterious sources of light flying in loops in the night sky (His advisors told him it was merely the wind blowing the stars about). On January 2, 1458, a bright object like a full moon was seen, followed by "curious signs" in the heavens. In 1606, a whirling ball of fire was seen hovering over Nijo Castle, and in 1749 three round objects were seen in the skies over Japan for four days.
1034 Europe: A rare typeset book from 1493 contains what may be the earliest pictorial representation of a UFO. The book Liber Chronicarum, describes a strange fiery sphere, seen in 1034, soaring through the sky in a straight course from south to east and then veering toward the setting sun. The illustration accompanying the account shows a cigar-shaped form haloed by flames, sailing through a blue sky over a green, rolling countryside. This may be the first work that actually contains actual illustrations of UFO's.
1133 Japan: A large silvery disk is reported to have come close to the ground.
1235 Japan: What might be called the first official investigation of a UFO sighting occurred in Japan in 1235. During the night while General Yoritsume and his army were encamped, mysterious lights were observed in the heavens. The lights were seen in the southwest for many hours, winging, circling and moving in loops. The general ordered a "full-scale scientific investigation" of these strange events. The report finally submitted to him has the "soothing" ring of many contemporary explanations offered for UFO phenomena. In essence it read: "the whole thing is completely natural, General. It is... only the wind making the stars
sway."
The same descriptions more or less, from 200 to 700 years ago, long before the coining of the terms "aliens" and"flying saucers" Long before the invention of flying craft and weather baloons, neon lights, mass media, and the discovery of modern physics. I'm sure this has raised a few eyebrows, if not, what will? Even then the skeptical explanations were as stupid as they are today, "the wind is blowing the stars"[/quote]
2: Considering the magnificent accelerations of the UFO's, that would produce enough G force to crush everything on board.
2. The technology may exist so that its possible to fly at that speed without getting crushed, also they could be drones.
For a UFO to exist, such technology would have to exist. In fact it entails some sort of quantum gravity manipulation or inertial force modficiation They knew this in the 40's? Yet 60+ years of technology and it is beyond the grasp of our physics.
3: Considering the magnificent speeds of mach 4 to mach 265
3:. Speed doesnt prove they are ETI, I doubt any country would make it public if they could fly faster than anyone else.
It's very public of the speeds our known craft can travel at. We also know the speeds of future propulsion planes. The hypersonic air-breathing planes, being developed by US, India, Japan, Russia and China, that are capable of speeds of Mach 7-10.
Also in "development" are light-beam propelled air craft and microwave beam propelled air craft, peaking at Mach 50, and even eliminating sonic boom; and the conceptual model:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/light-propulsion2.htm
1940-1950: Mach 0.5 - Mach 1.4
1950-1960: Mach 1.4 - Mach 2.9
1960-1970: Mach 2.9 - Mach 3.6
1970-1980: Mach 3.6 - Mach 4
1980-1990: Mach 4
1990-2000: Mach 4
The subsonic planes used piston engines. The sonic and supersonic planes used jet engines. Hypersonic planes uses air-breathing engines. Megasonic(1-100) will be using microwave beams or light beams. Now UFO's, are travelling from Mach 4 -265. They are not using Piston engines. They are not using jet engines. They are not using air-breathing engines. They are not even using microwave beams or light beams.
Somehow in 1940's and prior, flying crafts are zipping across our skies from Mach 265+ and even in 60+ years of technology, we are only capable of 1.5% of that speed. Even our most ambitious future technologies in the next 50 years will only make 18% of that.
4: Considering the ability for UFO's to shoot of into out of space, or shoot into water.
4. Maybe this is also a development? Govenments want craft that can go from our atmosphere to space/water easily, maybe they have one?
I don't think you understand the physics of such a craft and its role as a powerful force multiplier. Our physics, does not allow an aircraft, built for air travel, to travel underwater, or a submarine built for underwater travel, to travel air. If it was that simple, we'd at least have a conceptual model of such a craft today. Such an ability of a craft that can travel in space/air/water would require advanced physics and an unknown method of propulsion, that is currently beyond our scope. Let alone the scope of 1940's.
5: Considering the complete lack of sonic boom, or noise
How does lack of sonic boom prove ETI? If its possible not to have one then humans might be able to do the same(and eventually must be able to).
If we can eliminate sonic boom and noise from as eariy as 1940, then why in 60+ years, haven't we? Removing noise, and sonic boom would be a powerful force multiplier. Combined with stealth technology, and the enemy wouldn't have a clue what hit them. If we had this technology, our losses would have been drastically minimized in all the wars we have fought.
If you read the article I posted on the microwave propulsion, it actually talks of how to eliminate it. So it is possible.
6: Considering the gravity defying motions of the UFO
6. Again something the government would want, a cross between a helicopter and a jet plane, perfect aircraft, who's to say its not advanced hover technology thats being developed?
Gravity defying motions of zooming from place to place, in 2 second sweeps, and instantly stopping in mid-air is not possible with jet engines, or helicopters. Having aircraft that can do that, combined with BVR missiles of Mach 265 and you'd never lose an air war. We have lost thousands upon of thousands of aircraft in war. For what? Fireworks?
7: Considering all the major wars fought in 1940-60's: World war 2, Cold war, Korean war, Vietnam, using obsolete weaponary
7. Again arming the craft my be a problem, thoughout time when something is developed it gets adapted for warfare, the first aircraft werent armed for 10 years, who's to say if we develope craft like this fitting weapons will be a doddle. It may be a spycraft.
You obviously have no understanding of the implications of have such technology. It goes far beyond the inferior weaponary of that time. The technology itself is such a powerful weapon, that if used, it could have ended every war we have fought in 60+ years, in minutes
1: The technology to modify quantum gravity, and modify inertial forces and fields - surpassing all the intermediates of superconductors, super computering, particle accelerators.
2: The technology to travel in space/air/water
3: The technology to travel hundreds of times faster than sound, surpassing all the intermediates of jet engines, air-breathing engines, laser beams, microwaves.
4: The technology to completely elminate noise and sonic boom
5: The technology to access tremendous energy
Each one is a powerful force multiplier. You could unleash utter destruction on your opponent. In fact you would be near invincible.
The fact that in 60+ years we have not displayed any such technology, only means, we never had it then.
8:All advanced technologies, like supercomputing, superconductor, microchips, night vision, stealth, smart missiles, and particle accelerators, lazers, and the upcoming space planes and space weapons appeared later. This happend quite rapidly, considering how slow past technological growth was. Riding on horseback for centuries, and suddely a quantum leap into space and particle physics. (ETI influence? Could be)
Its possible influence, you know im open to all posibilities, also perhaps a government was developing faster than they let on? It might not even be america, china may have only just got into space but perhaps they have been developing these craft, whose to say america didnt recover a craft at roswell full of chinese immigrants???
It's not the government who develops science. It's the scientists who further science. I am pointing out, how only in the last century, how science had advanced so unnaturally and dramatically and taking us so far, that even in 1000+ years of human history we could not accomplish what we did in the last 100 years. And it's gets even more ridiculous now; quantum teleportation, string theory, interdimensional travel, zero point physics, cloning, anti-matter, interstellar travel, artificial intelligence. What can explain this sudden quantum leap?
As for the Roswell remark. Im sure people can tell the difference between Chinese immigrants and humonoid life forms. Oh, and if China had this technology, the world would be an extremely dangerous place.
Somehow, in 1940's and prior, you say we got this technology, yet which in 60 years+ is beyond everyone of our capacities. In fact this technology is so advanced, that it maybe hundreds to thousands of years in advance of us(based on future scientific growth)
In 60+ years we have not displayed this technology. In fact, we have gone forth and developed all the intermediate and obsolete technologies and wasted trillions of dollars. We have not yielded any of this power in any of the major wars we fought.
It's not very viable at all, is it?
Compare this to hypothesis A: ETI;
1: It is highly likely ETI exists.
2: Some ETI that have had more evolutionary time, would most likely, be more technologically advanced than us and be capable of physics beyond our scope.
3: UFO's require physics beyond our scope.
Therefore:
4: UFO's belong to ETI
That is the most logical and also the simplest explanation.
Now wether the government has UFO and other advanced technologies now, as DP alleges, based on decades of reverse engineered ETI UFO's and blackprojects, could partially explain how we have become so advanced so quickly. It could also explain that some modern UFO's are indeed manufactured and piloted by humans. If the US were to go to war now with a powerful enemy. I can bet on it, they would unleash the power and technology they have been concealing