The Pope speaks: Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things. !!!!!

[S.A.M.]

Ah, sam, still staying true to yourself, always with the comeback, "Oh, look over there, something shiny!"

Just pointing out that it's not about the Pope per se, but about the man and his inability to comprehend the power and influence of his post, or perhaps, his inability to utilise it in a productive way.

In addition, if you've heard about the current best seller in Turkey (the assassination of the Pope during a visit), I do think that it would be unwise of the Pope to go there following his remarks as they might be used as an excuse by extremists to bring about a greater degree of violence.

Discretion being the better part of wisdom here.

And if not myself, to whom do you expect I should be true to?

 

[Baron Max]

..., I do think that it would be unwise of the Pope to go there following his remarks as they might be used as an excuse by extremists to bring about a greater degree of violence.

But then the world can say that the Pope brought it upon himself, thus giving full approval for the violence that happens. And if some violent thugs are apprehended, we can make excuses for their actions and let them back out onto the streets ......because they had good reasons for their violence!

Oops, they'd HAVE to let them back out, because if not, it would upset all the fuckin' Muslims in the world, thus "causing" more violence all over the world .....which would then also be excused because there was good excuses for the violence. Oh, shit, I believe I'm beginning to understand this line of thought!!!!

....LOL!

And if not to myself, who do you expect I should stay true to?

Logic and rational thought processes would be good. Being "true" to oneself is often being "true" to something that is not rational or logical. Osama is being "true" to himself, isn't he? So would you encourage him to be "true" to himself?

Baron Max

 

[(Q)]

Just pointing out that it's not about the Pope per se

In that you're correct, it's about the intolerance of religion.

 

[S.A.M.]

But then the world can say that the Pope brought it upon himself, thus giving full approval for the violence that happens. And if some violent thugs are apprehended, we can make excuses for their actions and let them back out onto the streets ......because they had good reasons for their violence!

Oops, they'd HAVE to let them back out, because if not, it would upset all the fuckin' Muslims in the world, thus "causing" more violence all over the world .....which would then also be excused because there was good excuses for the violence. Oh, shit, I believe I'm beginning to understand this line of thought!!!!

....LOL!

Hmm and I'm beginning to see why the Americans are so "misunderstood" by the whole world.

Logic and rational thought processes would be good. Being "true" to oneself is often being "true" to something that is not rational or logical. Osama is being "true" to himself, isn't he? So would you encourage him to be "true" to himself?

Baron Max

Like I said earlier you lose the right to your freedoms only when you encroach on some one else's (or give it away). Apart from that, there is no law that denies a person from any beliefs or convictions, rational or irrational.

 

[S.A.M.]

In that you're correct, it's about the intolerance of religion.

Hmm, strange that the Pope's remarks did not create public condemnation until two days after he said them. Same like the cartoons earlier which did not create an uproar in Egypt but were such a big deal in the Danish paper.

Are you truly so naive, (Q)?

 

[TruthSeeker]

The Pope speaks: Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things. !!!!!
Smmoooooooth.... This Pope is an idiot. How diplomatic is that, duh!? :bugeye:

 

[John99]

Gee whiz Johnny, he was reading something from the 14th century.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I'm an idiot.

In his speech at Regensburg University, the German-born Pope explored the historical and philosophical differences between Islam and Christianity, and the relationship between violence and faith.

Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manuel II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.

The emperor's words were, he said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Benedict said "I quote" twice to stress the words were not his and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

"The intention here is not one of retrenchment or negative criticism, but of broadening our concept of reason and its application," he added in the concluding part of his speech.

"Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today."

Damn... I didn't read the whole thing before commenting... :bugeye:


Anyways... why are Muslims angry? The Pope was just affirming that violence is not in the nature of "God" and that people from different cultures and religions should talk instead of fighting each other. What is the problem with that?


He shouldn't have quoted that at all. Muslims often react that way because they are currently on the spotlight...

 

[TruthSeeker]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5348456.stm

...
CONCLUSION
"The intention here is not one of retrenchment or negative criticism, but of broadening our concept of reason and its application... Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today.

In the Western world it is widely held that only positivistic reason and the forms of philosophy based on it are universally valid. Yet the world's profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures. "

Gosh...! He's good!

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Why are they so quick to condemn the Pope for words, yet they never seem to totally condemn the Islamic Mujahideen for their deeds, and their actions of intolerance towards any other religion, even other Moslems or different sects. Sam make a clear declaration of the fact that the Moslem terrorist are evil and that their war of conversion by the sword is not acceptable, or are you afraid that the terrorist will deliver their version of my way or lose your head theology to you.

 

[vincent]

By FRANCES D'EMILIO, Associated Press Writer
23 minutes ago


An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope's remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.

"We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message posted in the name of the Mujahedeen Army on a Web site frequently used by militant groups. The message's authenticity could not be independently verified. The statement was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatens to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home."



Palestinians attacked five churches in the West Bank and Gaza over the pope's remarks


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"you dog of Rome"


Well i get the feeling this popes life will not be a long drawn out affair, i fail to see how attacking churches around the world solves what the pope said.
We in the west are often accused of seeing all muslims as terroists, yet muslims seem to regard westerners as one & the same, if they have a problem with danish cartoons they attack all of europe & even america, now its the pope farce, churches around the world are being attacked.

 

[Zakariya04]

Why are they so quick to condemn the Pope for words, yet they never seem to totally condemn the Islamic Mujahideen for their deeds, and their actions of intolerance towards any other religion, even other Moslems or different sects. Sam make a clear declaration of the fact that the Moslem terrorist are evil and that their war of conversion by the sword is not acceptable, or are you afraid that the terrorist will deliver their version of my way or lose your head theology to you.

Dear Buffalo,

I hgope you are well and thank you for your comment.

Terrorism is evil, who ever commits terrorism in my opinion can not be classed as aMuslim, christian or Jew. The people who committ terrorist acts and get other people to commit them are filth.

I can remember ever in the news at the height of the IRA northern ireland situation terrorist ever being called protestant or catholic terrorist, but either unionist or nationalist terrorists.

So why are theese imberciles called muslims terrorists.

As for the Pope, this one is a worry, the muslims leaders if they had any sense should issues statements to the following lines

"Yes we are upset and offended by the Popes statement but we forgive him as we hope it was a genuine mistake."

or something along those lines.

 

[vincent]

Dear Buffalo,

I hgope you are well and thank you for your comment.

Terrorism is evil, who ever commits terrorism in my opinion can not be classed as aMuslim, christian or Jew. The people who committ terrorist acts and get other people to commit them are filth.

I can remember ever in the news at the height of the IRA northern ireland situation terrorist ever being called protestant or catholic terrorist, but either unionist or nationalist terrorists.

So why are theese imberciles called muslims terrorists.

As for the Pope, this one is a worry, the muslims leaders if they had any sense should issues statements to the following lines

"Yes we are upset and offended by the Popes statement but we forgive him as we hope it was a genuine mistake."

or something along those lines.

We are all human not prophets, we all make mistakes, which is something muslims can not comprehend, as well as forgiveness which is the greatest gift any human can give to someone else thats what makes us different from murderers who no nothing about forgiveness or remorse.

Muslims seem to have put themselves in like a god role, where they seek out our imperfections verbal or otherwise & seek to correct them in a violent manner, as with the cartoon farce, & rushdie affair.

Nobody needs vigilantee muslims running around attacking embassies or churches, they are not gods, they are imperfect too, if they can not deal with imperfections in all of us, then maybe its time they seeked out a more forgiving religon.

 

[Ghost_007]

Why are they so quick to condemn the Pope for words, yet they never seem to totally condemn the Islamic Mujahideen for their deeds, and their actions of intolerance towards any other religion, even other Moslems or different sects. Sam make a clear declaration of the fact that the Moslem terrorist are evil and that their war of conversion by the sword is not acceptable, or are you afraid that the terrorist will deliver their version of my way or lose your head theology to you.

Muslims have been condemning terrorism and extremism for aaaaaaaaaaages.

 

[Alsophia Theophilos]

There is a very profound difference in saying that there is but one god and Allah is his name and the statements by Jesus that God is One and Hallowed is His Name. Think about the structures of these thoughts.

 

[Baron Max]

Muslims have been condemning terrorism and extremism for aaaaaaaaaaages.

What? Ya' mean all three of those Muslims that were interviewed last week?

But all of those thousands of protestors that we filmed burning the pope effigy and screaming for death to the pope ......that was just a fake or maybe a segment of a new movie?

......LOL!!!

So ....if we can't believe the newscasts about the Muslim anger over the pope's remarks, then why do we believe the newscasts about how the Muslims hate the America's and the war in Iraq?

Baron Max

 

[(Q)]

Hmm, strange that the Pope's remarks did not create public condemnation until two days after he said them.

Same like the cartoons earlier which did not create an uproar in Egypt but were such a big deal in the Danish paper.

Are you truly so naive, (Q)?

Then please, cure my naivety and explain the significance? Or is this another one of your, 'look over there at that shiny object' deflections?

 

[Alsophia Theophilos]

Those thousands of protestors filmed are just a reminder of what happens to people when they let others think for them. You ain't seen nothin' yet. We are watching human nature 101 and I think I'm going to skip class and go fishing.

 

[S.A.M.]

Then please, cure my naivety and explain the significance? Or is this another one of your, 'look over there at that shiny object' deflections?

I think these incidents are being used by vested interests to further their cause.

There are Arab states who fund terrorist camps, there are countries who have ambitions of being local superpowers.

I'm afraid that people are being manipulated by clerics and politicians.

 

[(Q)]

I think these incidents are being used by vested interests to further their cause.

There are Arab states who fund terrorist camps, there are countries who have ambitions of being local superpowers.

I'm afraid that people are being manipulated by clerics and politicians.

So, that's your reasoning with the incident having a two day spin cycle? And you're calling me naive?

There appears to be shiny objects everywhere, eh sam?