The Persecuted Atheist

[PsychoticEpisode]

I feel persecuted just by living in a world full of theists. Then again this could be Hell for an atheist.

 

[Oli]

Nah, if you get a mention AT ALL, it's obviously a thread about you.

 

[S.A.M.]

...my question about whether or not you support the persecution of atheists.

I especially liek this statement ^^^ because no one, not even the most secular humanist here [he knows who he is], thought to ask this question to SIASL here wrt supporting the persecution of theists.

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We should tolerate them....as in, not persecute them, harass them, or beat them up.
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IF ONLY the majority of the religious were as tolerant as they want us to be.
IF ONLY the religious wouldn't persecute, harass or beat up others.

But yes, we should point out their irrationality.
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Then they claim we're not being tolerant & we want special rights.

 

[S.A.M.]

I feel persecuted just by living in a world full of theists. Then again this could be Hell for an atheist.

all together now, a collective WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

note to self: Skinwalker will delete this to protect the tender feelings of atheists.

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

all together now, a collective WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

See what I mean

@#%$#! theists

 

[Oli]

I feel persecuted.

 

[S.A.M.]

Take a number.

 

[copernicus66]

all together now, a collective WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

note to self: Skinwalker will delete this to protect the tender feelings of atheists.

Great picture, S.A.M. The next time you whine, bitch and moan about the 'oppression' Muslims suffer being the cause of their barbarism and terrorism, I'll post it.

 

[copernicus66]

Generally speaking, thats true. Most Muslims will consider atheists to be completely delusional, although they may not express that opinion.

The mask falls off. Bells, where are you?

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

You know, I have SAM on ignore since she got busted, and it's blissful not having to listen to her lies.

I suggest you all try it for a week or two, and see how you like it.

Busted???

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

I feel persecuted just by living in a world full of theists. Then again this could be Hell for an atheist.

We're all dead & this is Hell.

 

[phlogistician]

Poor atheists. First your're harangued, then you're forced to endure the existence of religion and theism in general. Then you die and cease to be. That must suck.

It sucks less than being forced to give a priest a blowjob, or suffering guilt the rest of your life over normal earthly pleasures, or feeling paranoid that someone is constantly judging us, and then dying, and ceasing to exist.

I think being a theist must suck; living a lie, and then dying.

 

[SkinWalker]

Indeed. Living your entire and only life by trying to appeal to a mythical being that is supposed to give you a fantasy life after death. A waste of reality.

 

[Bells]

The mask falls off. Bells, where are you?

I was off being delusional.

In other words, living life without God.

Egads..

I feel like such a heathen.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

I have never been harrassed for being an athiest, not anywhere. As a matter of fact it hardly ever comes up. I've had arguments with those who would like to convert but that has become rare and I would call it an annoyance more than harrasment.

I find it surprising that there are those who feel religion a threat drowning them out...at least for more than a ny minute! I say move out of those religious communities athiest and find freedom among diversity!! Sheesh

 

[copernicus66]

I have never been harrassed for being an athiest, not anywhere. As a matter of fact it hardly ever comes up. I've had arguments with those who would like to convert but that has become rare and I would call it an annoyance more than harrasment.

I find it surprising that there are those who feel religion a threat drowning them out...at least for more than a ny minute! I say move out of those religious communities athiest and find freedom among diversity!! Sheesh

The topic of religion rarely comes up in Australian society either. Religion is a private thing here, and it's a rather personal question to ask someone 'what is your religion?'

I doubt such a luxury would be afforded in an Islamic society, where atheists are systematically persecuted. Oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't whine about that because 'Muslims' are persecuted more.

 

[iceaura]

Not to island hop back to an earlier post, but I like this post. People are always chanting about how evil religions are, but it's people who are evil. Religions are just a reflection of that. Christians and inquisitions, Buddhists skinning peasants, Muslims killing/stoning "impure" females. It's all the same to me. These societies would be conducting inquisitions, skinnings, stonings, burnings and whatnot if they were something else, or nothing at all.

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If you go back to my earliest posts arguing with atheists on this forum, you can find pretty much the same assertions.

Over time, I realised that many of them prefer to ignore this

One can only reply with disagreement to the same endlessly repeated assertion so many times.

I disagree with that. I think people are easier to organize into groups of evildoers when they have been pre-organized via religion, and accustomed to taking nonsense from authorities on faith. Kind of like how boot camp works with soldiers. The old quote about evil people doing evil by nature, for good people to do evil you need religion, is a plausible partial take.

Its called mirroring. The "evils" of Islam as you call it are not inherent.

An example of Islam without them - from any time or place in history - would better support that than the mere assertion.

Thats because the basis of Islam is liberty, ie everyone chooses for himself.

That appears to be obvious nonsense, apparently taken on faith - what we call a "Sunday Truth", in Christian areas.

Do you think Muslims do not suffer harassment, persecution or beatings such as you have?

I know of three atheists beaten up by Muslims on the streets of my town, and no beatings of Muslims by atheists. Statistically, atheists outnumber Muslims in my town - even without counting atheist Muslims twice. Non-Muslims have been stranded by Muslim cabdrivers, harassed on the street by Muslim groups, etc. My old neighborhood was briefly taken over by a gang of Muslim thugs who specifically chose as targets obviously non-Muslim passersby - I was once accosted fairly threateningly by said gang, with no harm done in my case, but women dressed in a manner that offended the gang had to avoid the area until the police learned how to handle them. But the role of religion in all this is indirect and problematical.

Atheists hide, you know - unlike the Abraham theists, they don't flaunt or push as a rule. So they are seldom targeted for their atheism at random on the street.

I find such protestations of harassment incredibly ludicrous. Considering how Americans have - - -
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For atheists who apparently have more power in these countries to consider themselves as persecuted while supporting such regimes [not to mention self proclaiming to be a significant proportion of the people who manufacture the weapons of mass destruction] is even more so.

If you bother to check, you will find that most of the people doing all that bad stuff are theists who share your God and much of your attitude toward atheists. America is the most, not the least, theistic industrial Western power, and its recent political administration has been dominated by overtly and even flamboyantly theistic people. When you see the US military engage overseas, you are watching People of the Book, Worshippers of the God Of Abraham, in action.

When atheists make gas chambers to perform experiments on entire families simply because they are Christian, thats persecution.

The North Korean religion, Juche , is theistic.

I've never even heard of an atheist being harassed or persecuted for his lack of faith.

There are people denied parole and still in jail now in the US, for lack of theistic belief real or faked - and IIRC you have been specifically referred to news reports in that matter. Jog your memory. I have seen the subject come up and have influence in child custody hearings, welfare decisions, etc. Membership in this or that church is often crucial in a business career. It's a pervasive issue in the US, especially among the rich and powerful or in the educational and legal institutions.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

copernicus66: I doubt such a luxury would be afforded in an Islamic society, where atheists are systematically persecuted. Oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't whine about that because 'Muslims' are persecuted more.

Muslims ARE persecuted more in the West not to mention Israel but I don't believe it has anything to do with religion. I think it has to do with the stereotyping of muslims and fear baiting which help build a case for war. You know, its the crazy paranoia that sees a terrorist under every veil and an evil in everything or anything islamic (no matter how little we know of islam). Its all the nonsense that all of a sudden makes the west think it has a great tie to the muslim countries outside of oil.

 

[copernicus66]

Muslims ARE persecuted more in the West

Muslims aren't persecuted in the West, that's just your imagination. On the other hand, atheists aren't even recognised in Islamic countries.

I think it has to do with the stereotyping of muslims and fear baiting which help build a case for war.

Except that the stereotyping of Muslims is justified. Muslims have a strong tendency to possess a insidious hatred of the West, and an underlying contempt for atheists. And while all Muslims may not be terrorists, most terrorists and terrorist sympathisers are Muslim. Hell, mainstream Islam is burgeoning with vocal supporters of terrorism.

But despite this, Muslims have equal rights under law in countries such as the United States.

You know, its the crazy paranoia that sees a terrorist under every veil and an evil in everything or anything islamic (no matter how little we know of islam). Its all the nonsense that all of a sudden makes the west think it has a great tie to the muslim countries outside of oil.

It is delusion to think that atheists receive better treatment in Islamic countries than Muslims receive in progressive European nations, and the U.S.A. In many Islamic countries, atheists aren't even recognised. Need I say more?

 

[S.A.M.]

The North Korean religion, Juche , is theistic.

You mean its sociologically a religion, its NOT theistic

Juche is the only government-authorized ideology in North Korea, to the point of excluding all other religions. "Juche" means "self-reliance" in the Korean language. Some writers cited in the Adherents.com database (under "Juche" as well as "Kimilsungism") classify Juche as a North Korean form of Marxist Communism. Juche began in the 1950s and is the official philosophy promulgated by the North Korean government and educational system. Its promoters describe Juche as simply a secular, ethical philosophy and not a religion. But, from a sociological viewpoint Juche is clearly a religion, and in many ways is even more overtly religious than Soviet-era Communism or Chinese Maoism.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/Juche.html

An atheist religion, as you like to say. A godless one.