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its the folly of the gross materialist that they can't understand that existence literally forces them to bow down at every moment of their waking and sleeping life, with the grand finale being when they finally drop dead
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The Nonsense of Atheists
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precisely
its the folly of the gross materialist that they can't understand that existence literally forces them to bow down at every moment of their waking and sleeping life, with the grand finale being when they finally drop dead
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Something theists would prefer we not do:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101207131733.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101207131733.htm
Children exists solely outside of the womb.
kind of like the argument that black people stand outside of human society proposed by the capitalists who had an interest in the salve trade of yesteryear
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The folly is on the part of those who live in an unrealized fantasy who's head-space is lock and cocked and pointed at me; it's on the part of those who desire more than they can ever have and wait and weep until death delivers it; it's on the part of those who don't see that there is grandeur in this life.
“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” - Charles Darwin
That substitution technique is recognised as a flawed debating technique. Please try to make reasonable arguments.
Bow down? What are you talking about?
on the contrary, applying the same general principle of an argument to a variety of circumstances is the best way to determine how buoyant it is.
Arguing that there is no infringements of rights based on an arbitrary designation is circular at best, and downright criminal at worst.
If material force can induce a subjective religious experience in the brain, then that kind of undermines the notion that it's something supernatural. By the way, drugs proved this already long ago.
living a life in fully fledged service to the senses, with the final obeisance occurring when one literally drops dead from such a futile existence
Ah, the senses are how we experience life. Or you could "bow your head" to a non-existent abstraction and ignore everything around you. That is truly tragic.
So if material force could induce a subjective experience of a cocktail umbrella, then that would undermine the notion that a cocktail umbrella has an existence outside of one's cognitive facilities?
Or is there something markedly distinct from the subjective experience of cocktail umbrellas that renders them different?
I'm not sure you understand.
The tragedy of serving the senses is that one misses the opportunity of actually controlling them ....
So if I see, I lose the ability to blink?
on the contrary, applying the same general principle of an argument to a variety of circumstances is the best way to determine how buoyant it is.
No, it's particularly childish. Failing to recognise the differences between the items can radically change the context. You abstracted to absurdity. You failed.
To make a bonsai of a baobab means never to taste it's fruit or see its true grace. I don't disagree with you entirely but some indulgences we can afford: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBk3ynRbtsw
and there was no need to.
you keep on with this 'we are not all the same' shpiel but your posts have shown that your arguments are inconsistent and the rest of it is nonsensical. you get defensive when you are labeled a christian or are religious but never state exactly what you believe that makes you a christian. furthermore, it's contradictory to be defensive that everyone has a 'different piece of the puzzle' that is valid but don't say this other christian's opinions are my own as if that makes any difference. there is no reason to be defensive if that is your belief, it's just bs. that's like saying don't say i condone rape even though i think other people's opinions are a 'piece of the puzzle' and god wants them to have these valid opinions but don't pin it on me.
it's all a round about fabricated bullshit to find a way to evade criticism personally as well as indirectly defend christianity or religion or any christian's beliefs. this is what you have been doing repeatedly as well as lori's. if your beliefs are really contradictory or in disagreement with others, then you would have had arguments with eachother's posts or pointed them out and why. don't pretend that you have problems with religion but are passive, it's just total bs. even jan ardena and solcado have differing opinions and argue about it. don't toy with us as if we are as deceptive as you because it's clear and we aren't that stupid. it's called calling a spade a spade which you are afraid to do, either because you are hiding your true beliefs or you are just lazy.
for instance, you believe that a belief in god means something other than just that people believe in god or think that a god must have created the universe. it doesn't necessarily have to do with anything beyond that. it doesn't mean they are 'doing something with it that is correct or incorrect, right or wrong'. do what with it? lmao. wake the hell up, dude.
i find the way you reason to be deceptive.
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why do atheists put up with this bs?
this whole post is deceptive as well as stupid. if they are all valid then getting defensive is indicative that one is hiding their real beliefs while defending just what one is supposedly claiming they don't represent. it's like saying i defend nazi's but just because i'm a nazi doesn't mean we are all the same. it's circular bullshit. :bugeye:
totally missed the point.
this person keeps claiming they are not religious and now indirectly defending religion because it's the 'people' are the ones who make it 'bad' or 'good'.
the point was that many people believe in god or believe god is responsible for creation but that doesn't mean that belief has any bearing on what kind of character they have or what they do or what they think in life anymore than acknowleding that the moon exists has some bearing on what i do or don't. ask any random person on the street and most people believe that a god must have created the world or universe. wth does that have to do with what they do or don't do? btw, what do you call a lying, cheating, and whoring criminal that believes in a god? does that make any difference? does that belief make any tangible realistic difference at all? so an atheist that supposedly argues against religion or the concept of a god/deity is dangerous and they supposedly 'hate' god? but not the many sinners and assholes who believe in a god out there just the same? does the drug dealer that believes in god not dangerous? are these theists really that fuking stupid? :shrug:
of course i dislike all things 'christian', since that denotes a religion. i don't hate everything in the bible, it's been stated repeatedly that there are moral lessons/metaphors in the bible.
how is it possible that these people can function at all in society? does their brain work at all?
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NM Squirrel,
Of course, would you expect us to just believe without something valid in it's definition to justify the belief ?
Ok
You can, if you only claim faith and not try to justify the belief with definitions then sure, why not. The reason I raise the question is really for you the believer. What god am I believing in ? is a good question.
If you choose something that is essentially hidden away, something that has no definition, then nothing can be attached to it, no actions or responsibilites can be assigned to it. It's just there.
In which case then you should have no problem with someone who chooses not to believe in something that is supposedly just there.
My wife is very spiritual, she can't define it, she just believes there is something more to it. She makes no claims of knowledge and she also understands it's possibly just a side effect of our conciousness.
It's very hard to accept the fact that we will all one day die.
Ok, but how do you see him ? That would be the start of defining it/him. At which point you start to create the religion, at least for yourself.
What's the point in a god if it doesn't do anything ?
It must do something, so how do you see this entity interacting in our lives or our world ?
Ok, you have chosen to believe. So then I ask in what ?
Again, don't answer it for me. I don't believe. It's a question that I would ask myself if I believed. Otherwise I don't know what I am believing in.
Maybe that is a difference in us. Which in the end is fine, nobody has such knowledge.
5' 10" 170 lbs, brown hair, green eyes, like sports, backpacking, mountain climbing, kayaking, rafting, skiing, fishing, beer, women in hot outfits, women naked, love my wife and kids at least most of the time LOL. Do I need to continue ?
Well you can't provide proof. But with a definition comes scrutinization. When we scrutinize this definition we will find additional questions. Maybe some that you haven't thought of. See, this is why there are religions. The more the god is defined, the more questions raised and more definitions have to be added. Pretty soon, man is claiming to know exactly what god they are believing in. And unless this god spoke to man and the texts are truly the word of god, then man made it up.
You created this god you believe in because you are not following a god of the bible or koran right ?
At some point you should be able to define what kind of actions it takes etc
It could be. I guess I would know if/when I encountered it. But I would need to have enough of a signficant interaction that I could define it to some degree.
True, maybe you have chosen to avoid a label because of all the bad in them. It's fine to pick and choose what inspires you. If you are not claiming to follow a religion, and use the texts to find inspiration then you are just finding ideas that correlate with who you are as a person. You're finding that which supports your personal philosophy.
Which is why the world is best viewed as gray and not black and white.
Of course, would you expect us to just believe without something valid in it's definition to justify the belief ?
Ok
You can, if you only claim faith and not try to justify the belief with definitions then sure, why not. The reason I raise the question is really for you the believer. What god am I believing in ? is a good question.
If you choose something that is essentially hidden away, something that has no definition, then nothing can be attached to it, no actions or responsibilites can be assigned to it. It's just there.
In which case then you should have no problem with someone who chooses not to believe in something that is supposedly just there.
My wife is very spiritual, she can't define it, she just believes there is something more to it. She makes no claims of knowledge and she also understands it's possibly just a side effect of our conciousness.
It's very hard to accept the fact that we will all one day die.
Ok, but how do you see him ? That would be the start of defining it/him. At which point you start to create the religion, at least for yourself.
What's the point in a god if it doesn't do anything ?
It must do something, so how do you see this entity interacting in our lives or our world ?
Ok, you have chosen to believe. So then I ask in what ?
Again, don't answer it for me. I don't believe. It's a question that I would ask myself if I believed. Otherwise I don't know what I am believing in.
Maybe that is a difference in us. Which in the end is fine, nobody has such knowledge.
5' 10" 170 lbs, brown hair, green eyes, like sports, backpacking, mountain climbing, kayaking, rafting, skiing, fishing, beer, women in hot outfits, women naked, love my wife and kids at least most of the time LOL. Do I need to continue ?
Well you can't provide proof. But with a definition comes scrutinization. When we scrutinize this definition we will find additional questions. Maybe some that you haven't thought of. See, this is why there are religions. The more the god is defined, the more questions raised and more definitions have to be added. Pretty soon, man is claiming to know exactly what god they are believing in. And unless this god spoke to man and the texts are truly the word of god, then man made it up.
You created this god you believe in because you are not following a god of the bible or koran right ?
At some point you should be able to define what kind of actions it takes etc
It could be. I guess I would know if/when I encountered it. But I would need to have enough of a signficant interaction that I could define it to some degree.
True, maybe you have chosen to avoid a label because of all the bad in them. It's fine to pick and choose what inspires you. If you are not claiming to follow a religion, and use the texts to find inspiration then you are just finding ideas that correlate with who you are as a person. You're finding that which supports your personal philosophy.
Which is why the world is best viewed as gray and not black and white.