The most absurd moderation in Sci history

[Bells]

Norse was given 12 hours to post proof before his *initial* ban? I think not. He was given no chance to explain his reasons. Check it out.

Do try to keep up young man. He was given 12 hours by me in this thread when he re-argued the very same (anti-semitic) points that got him banned in the first place.

 

[Bells]

You use sarcasm excessively more than most people here. It's a very obvious coping mechanism.

My use of sarcasm is what you deserved, to be honest.

/Flaps SUPERMOD cape and flies away..

 

[WillNever]

Do try to keep up young man. He was given 12 hours by me in this thread when he re-argued the very same (anti-semitic) points that got him banned in the first place.

You need to go back and reread some posts. Whether you know it or not, you are avoiding the fact that norse's *first* ban (you do know he was banned by James before you, right?) took place ~2 hours after his "hate speech," before he could have a realistic chance of providing evidence for what might have been a rational opinion. As far he might have known, no one asked him for it because by the time he logged back on, he was already banned. His frustration and anger from that point onward is quite natural. You punishing him for it is not natural, however.

 

[WillNever]

My use of sarcasm is what you deserved, to be honest.

/Flaps SUPERMOD cape and flies away..

Actually, it's all you are able handle when confronted. It's much easier to redirect the conversation than to face an ugly truth about yourself.

Incoming predictably sarcastic and deflective response.

 

[Bells]

You need to go back and reread some posts. Whether you know it or not, you are avoiding the fact that norse's *first* ban (you do know he was banned by James before you, right?) took place ~2 hours after his "hate speech," before he could have a realistic chance of providing evidence for what might have been a rational opinion. As far he might have known, no one asked him for it because by the time he logged back on, he was already banned. His frustration and anger from that point onward is quite natural. You punishing him for it is not natural, however.

Okay. To clear up your confusion.

I banned Norse for his claims in this thread when he repeated the same thing that had resulted in his original ban. I asked him to provide proof of his claims and gave him 12 hours to do so. He failed to do so. So after more than 12 hours passed, I banned him.

Do you understand now?

Actually, it's all you are able handle when confronted. It's much easier to redirect the conversation then face an ugly truth about yourself.

Incoming predictably sarcastic and deflective response.

Actually no. I tend to become sarcastic when I have to restrain myself from calling someone stupid. I mean I can either come out and call you and what you said stupid (and breach the rules of this site). Or I can respond with sarcasm to give you an indication of just how stupid what you said actually was. It is a fault of mine, but I developed it in my work as most judges find it offensive when counsel refer to defendants as 'stupid' (for example: 'I raped the 2 year old because she sat on my lap and was asking for it'.. I could call the individual 'stupid' or I can respond with sarcasm about his perception that a 2 year old would actually ask for sex when cuddling up to her father as most toddlers do).

 

[GeoffP]

I get along fine with lots of people on here. But I do not go out of my way to "LOL" with the cheerleaders of the forum.

Cheers.

 

[Bells]

I should ammend that with that exception, because well, it truly was exceptional.

I quite literally laughed out loud reading that post by Panda. It makes posting on this site worthwhile to be honest.

I must thank Geoff for reminding me of it.

So thank you Geoff!

And just for good measure, I will :worship: to Panda. Because honestly, we are not worthy.

 

[GeoffP]

You certainly aren't.

I'd have believed the "laugh out loud" if it had been funny, but as it was...well.

Cheerio!

 

[Bells]

Now Will, Geoff here is one of my detractors. I am sure that you can get together and discuss and complain about how evil I was in banning Norse for antisemitism.

So while you two do that, I shall bid you both goodnight. I am going to bed.

A Supermod needs sleep to be able to lord it over you all again tomorrow with my SUPERMOD powers!

I find lack of sleep tends to inhibit my lording powers when in SUPERMOD mode.

 

[GeoffP]

Does anything inhibit your egocentrism? A mirror, perhaps? Wait: that's inhuman bloodsucking fiends I'm thinking of, not lawyers.

...Humour aside, I don't disagree with Norsefire's ban. As far as detraction goes, it tends to be tit-for-tat between us.

 

[WillNever]

Okay. To clear up your confusion.

I banned Norse for his claims in this thread when he repeated the same thing that had resulted in his original ban. I asked him to provide proof of his claims and gave him 12 hours to do so. He failed to do so. So after more than 12 hours passed, I banned him.

But for the fact that norse was originally banned on the spot by James R, without asking norse for evidence, this thread would not exist and norse would have received no further bannings. Norse's frustration and stubborness was natural, given his initial treatment. Your response to his frustration was not natural, however.

I said this to you already, but I know, it's hard.

Actually no. I tend to become sarcastic when I have to restrain myself from calling someone stupid

More probably, you become sarcastic when you realize that you had just done something stupid. Like you did in this thread.

 

[Bells]

But for the fact that norse was originally banned on the spot by James R, without asking norse for evidence, this thread would not exist and norse would have received no further bannings.

And? He was banned for anti-semitism. When he returned and protested against his ban by being even more anti-semitic, I asked him to provide proof of his claims or be banned again.

Norse's frustration and stubborness was natural, given his initial treatment. Your response to his frustration was not natural, however.

Norse was frustrated because he was actually expected to back up his claims. How horrible for him. To actually be expected to substantiate his claims..

I am sorry Willnever, but this forum has particular rules. He was banned immediately the first time for breaking those rules and when he broke the rules again by repeating the very thing that got him banned, but then refused to back up those statements with evidence.

I said this to you already, but I know, it's hard.

Will, I was not the one getting confused about who banned who. You were. James banned him immediately the first time for anti-semitism in accordance to the rules. I banned him a second time when he repeated the very same thing and was unable to substantiate his claims. Again, in accordance to the rules.

More probably, you become sarcastic when you realize that you had just done something stupid. Like you did in this thread.

Now cherie, I don't think I have done something stupid. I am sure that if it was stupid to begin with, my fellow moderators would have stepped in by now and asked me to not ban him. None of them have.

I provided links for them when I issued the original warning, as well as when I issued the ban. I am sure if they think my actions was stupid, they will rush to this thread and defend Norse and they are free to do so. I will continue to stand by my decision however. You are free to PM Plazma with your complaint. And as I stated before, he will read through the original thread and what was said in this thread and determine if I acted stupidly in banning him for 10 days (less than what he actually should have gotten in the ban cycle). So please, for the love of the FSM, PM Plazma and report me if you feel that I banned him unfairly.

 

[WillNever]

And? He was banned for anti-semitism. When he returned and protested against his ban by being even more anti-semitic, I asked him to provide proof of his claims or be banned again.

I didn't read the rest of your post beyond this point because we can stop right here. Norse were not asked for evidence in a reasonable amount of time before he were*first* banned. It were only 2 hours.

 

[Bells]

I didn't read the rest of your post beyond this point because we can stop right here. Norse were not asked for evidence in a reasonable amount of time before he were*first* banned. It were only 2 hours.

/Facepalm

He was not asked the first time because there was notrequirement for him to be asked. You know, because he was being anti-semitic which is against this forum's rules. When he returned and spouted the same thing, I asked him to substantiate his claims or face a ban. He returned and claimed it as fact. So I asked him to provide proof for his 'facts'. He refused and after more than the allotted time went by, he was banned.

Honestly, how hard is that to understand?

 

[WillNever]

/Facepalm

He was not asked the first time because there was notrequirement for him to be asked. You know, because he was being anti-semitic which is against this forum's rules.

The claims were not inherently anti-semitic *except* if he refused to provide evidence after he were asked the first time. Before he were *first* banned, Norse were not asked by a moderator to back up his claim.

The ban was a pavlovian knee-jerk reaction to perceived criticism of an overly protected ethnic group. If it were "Americans" as an ethnic group that Norse criticized, then he would not have been banned -- simply because there exists no "anti-semitic" type concept for that. That fact alone reveals the sheer hypocrisy of it all.

I question if you know what a semite actually is. It does not mean "jews." Semitism is merely a language pattern. It's becoming increasingly obvious that I am talking to uneducated people. "Oops, I'm a retard" would be an appropriate response for you right now.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

You do know your taking those incidents out of context right and welcome back

In fact :
Willkommen Norsefire.

Your article in the latest Sturmer was most enlightening.

 

[pjdude1219]

so far my favorite part of this thread is when Norse accused me of being a zionist sympathizer.

 

[Gustav]

No Hype. I and much of the world are not 'perilously entangled' in the ME nor much of the worlds 'governments'. As opposed to US citizens I don't even have to pay taxes as a Brit living abroad so I don't even contribute financially. The only people who are 'perilously entangled' in the ME are those who are living there, those who are living with it.

ummm
along with the us, many other nations sent troops. some died, families mourned...

Amsterdam - The governing Dutch coalition was poised on the brink of possible collapse Thursday, after the junior Labour party partner set a deadline for rejecting a NATO request for further troops for Afghanistan.

.. and guess what...their troops returned home for good and the dutch govt did collapse.

it is callous and evil to brush all this aside as lucysnow has done. it is not only the ME that suffers. we all do cos we are humans capable of empathy and compassion. we will not turn a blind eye, nor will will ignore...

Cambodia was carpet bombed by the US, they were exploited as a neutral country for US interests, and the place did explode. And guess what? They survived. They healed and they moved on. What you think the ME is the only part of the world to have seen war Hype?

jesus frikkin christ
the latest incidents

Six Americans Among 10 Medical Workers Killed by Taliban in Afghanistan

Homecoming for 12th soldier from Cincinnati area county killed in Iraq or Afghanistan

move on? is she serious? the conflict is ongoing and she asks us to move on?
people are fucking dying and she asks us to move on?

You claim that the threads on this subject are there for members to 'explore' the issue. But they are not, they are for political grandstanding, they are one sided soap boxes. They neither enlighten nor change minds, nor do they offer more information than one had before nor do they drive people to action! Have you ever been able to look to the other side of this argument and try to understand the counter-arguments?

Question is has the way the topic is handled here, which has not been in the interest of intellectual dialogue, helped build understanding on the topic? Or has it simply divided the community?

this notion that sci remain isolated and immune to the currents that sweep real life is utterly moronic. we allow members their sentiments. we allow members their lack of sentiment. sci does not care. you engage us how you see fit. form your faction, flash your gang signs, root for starwars over startrek. we dont mind. it is what makes this a vibrant and successful community. we mirror the outside world. we are not an ivory tower. that is why we stand out. we allow an organic and natural evolution

you dont like?
goddamn fuck off

This whole experience of engaging in that subject here on sciforums has literally created a numbness so I don't even pay any attention to it anymore in my everyday life. I don't read articles on it anymore. 'Its their bloody issue let them handle' it is now my attitude. THAT is what sciforums has done for me on that particular subject.

imagine if this creature actually had to experience the shit we are talking about. how about living thru an actual roadside bomb or drone attack? instead she is thrown into paroxysms of fear and a catatonic state by merely watching other members arguing and expressing pov's about these incidents

If you were so interested in the ME you wouldn't harp about it on sciforums thread after thread, including this one that had nothing at all to do with the matter til your post.

this is absurd. this thread IS related to ME issues.
i mean, look how she hooks this in...

Now as you pointed out you cannot say 'jews are pigs' but you can imply they are pigs by bringing up some historical fact like 'Jews worship a burial ground in Israel where there are actually pig bones' and then go on to mock their ancestors by saying jews are actually worshipping pigs along with all that *wink wink* kosher sarcasm.

thats at post 15, lucysnow harps and jibes at sam. post after post, thread after thread, the constant and underhand attacks.

pardon me lucysnow, this thread has nothing to do with the ME. or sam

/snicker

I mean think about it a sec. Why on earth did you bring up this topic here when we were speaking of Norse and the argument he's made in another thread? Is it that you feel you have to stick the subject in everyones face? Are there not enough threads on the subject already at hand? What?

i would suggest you think harder but that would be a waste of energy. you are obviously incapable of any form of rational thought. still though, you seem content with knee jerk reactions and most juvenile and superficial of thought

And no sorry to disappoint but there are other issues just as pressing or even more so than the ME. The world does not revolve around ME issues and the ME is not the center of the world! The question is whether sciforums will be a political activist board for pet topics or an outlet for intellectual exploration. Take your pick!

wtf? i mean WTF??

/lmao

another wannabe fascist trying to dictate how the community should express itself by offering up a false dilemma. is this creature for real?
hmm, porf's last words......

And as for 'abrahamic' religions and Islam are concerned it may be a part of the world you live in but its not a part of mine, and I am living in a very diverse international expat community! NGO, journalists and UN workers to boot!!! And guess what this particular issue rarely if ever comes up and many of them have worked in the region as well as many others. I personally don't need to know anything more about Islam nor is Islam the only culture or religion worthy of exploration as you so seem to believe.

ja
stay in your shitty little incestuous colony and leave us alone.

leave like you promised in your goodbye thread. have the courage of your goddamn convictions and just fucking go

Why don't you start your own political activism forum right here on sciforums where you can go and add information of 'what people can do' or go out and 'do something yourself'? Hell you can dedicate the entire 'activism forum' to palestine itself!! Why don't you start an entire forum dedicated to Islam and Judaism? Then those who want to go and 'explore' can do so just like they do in the religion or philosophy sections. It would be far better than it leaking all over the forums or completely destabilizing WE&P, or alienating members or giving members rise to insult, counter-insult and banning!!!

blather and gibber
destabilizing? wtf is she talking about?
look, the sci that lucy sees is one that is tainted by her pathology. it is she that is uniquely traumatized by our community and this is a problem she has to deal with herself

we choose which areas of sci we frequent. some are exclusive to scifi, others to physics...etc. she chooses to participate in the most contentious of areas and whines if things do not go the way she wants it to. it is not our problem. failing to dictate our reality is because she is of a piddling intellect and has no meaningful argument. this is why she has to rail and bitch in sfog in the most mean spirited of manners

 

[Gustav]

Personally I believe that this board has become more and more divisive with this issue of jews and muslims. Are they the only issues anyone can address? I would have put up a thread on the tribunals in Cambodia and the conviction of Duch but this board has become so narrow in its issues that I wouldn't even waste my time. People are not really interested in new information only the re-hashing of the old. The world has suddenly shrunk into nothing but 'us vs. them' or the 'bigots vs the just', Jews vs Muslims, 'the west vs. the middle east', 'god vs no god'. Its all bullshit.

I was going to open two threads in Art & Culture, one on 'The Reader' by Bernhard Shlink but realized that having a discussion about anything that didn't appeal to popular culture would have been an absolute waste of my time and probably no one would have read it or even know how to discuss it. Same goes for the amazing Israeli film called 'The Lemon Tree' but the essential theme of that film would have soon been drowned out by the the 'us's and the 'thems' who only care about pushing some political agenda.

please consider that you are too intelligent and sophisticated for this board
please consider too that you had already said your goodbyes.
have the courage of your convictions and just do it
leave

 

[Gustav]

now
to douche or not to douche
that is the question, lucysnow?

oh
it is duch
pardon

/smile