The Impeachment of President Trump

No, he doesn't. There was a tie vote in the Senate for one of the articles of impeachment against Clinton. Rehnquist didn't get a tie-breaking vote. It just failed to carry. At this point, the ignorance is demonstrably your own.

Perhaps I overstate with the word, "deadlock"; to t he otherRehnquist didn't need a tie-breaking vote—a fifty-fifty tie is a loss.

In absentia, it would be Trump appearing before Roberts in a Senate impeachment trial, but the chief justice's role is more umpire than judge or jury. The Senate would acquit or convict the president; Roberts would rule on procedural matters and might break tie votes, but not on conviction, which requires a two-thirds majority of the 100-member Senate.

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Wolf, Richard. "Chief Justice John Roberts will be the 'umpire' in Senate impeachment trial of President Trump". USA Today. 10 October 2019. USAToday.com. 21 December 2019. http://bit.ly/34RyuKI
 
Perhaps I overstate with the word, "deadlock"; to t he otherRehnquist didn't need a tie-breaking vote—a fifty-fifty tie is a loss.

In absentia, it would be Trump appearing before Roberts in a Senate impeachment trial, but the chief justice's role is more umpire than judge or jury. The Senate would acquit or convict the president; Roberts would rule on procedural matters and might break tie votes, but not on conviction, which requires a two-thirds majority of the 100-member Senate.

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Nice try weaseling out of your ignorance, but you said:
The presiding judge of a trial isn't a mere figurehead. He rules on procedure, and even has a vote if the Senate deadlocks. Pretending Roberts "pretty much has no room to sway the outcome" in order to justify the continued ignorance of the assertion itself is pretty stupid.
There is no circumstance where Roberts "has a vote" in the Senate. Seems you've been duped by an uninformed journalist, who doesn't even seem to know what he's talking about, as he doesn't even try to explain why he mentions "breaking tie votes". So you thinking Roberts may have "room to sway the outcome" is pretty stupid. Don't believe just any journalist who affirms your bias.
 
He will be neutral but it doesn't really matter who the "presider" is.
If he's neutral, in his role as presider he can coerce the Senate into calling witnesses and otherwise observing the formalities of a fair trial. With even minimal backing from a few Rep Senators, he can establish a secret ballot.

The witnesses will probably do lots of damage to Trump, and highlight the absence of Trump's testimony. And as soon as a few Republicans can vote or abstain without identifying themselves, Trump's odds of conviction go way up.
And no, gerrymandering didn't win Trump the election.
It probably did. The stats say it did (70,000 + missing Presidential votes in Michigan, almost all of them from gerrymandered Dem districts, never even investigated, for example).
It set up the voter suppression and infrastructure manipulation, the ID requirements, the use of dubious and easily exploited voting machines, the failure to audit suspect vote counts, the invalid purging of voter registration rolls, and so forth, in the key States that Trump narrowly won.
Oh, we all know that unprecedented use of budget reconciliation was the ONLY reason Obamacare passed. That's how underhanded the Democrats are.
Nothing secret or underhanded about it - not since 1980, near forty years ago.
It wasn't unprecedented, either; it had become frequent, as Republican hyper-partisan tactics - especially the use of the filibuster as never before - increasingly dominated Congressional politics. After the election of 2008 Republican Senators were even filibustering their own bills, if you recall, to prevent anything approved by Obama from getting through the Senate.

That's what "unprecedented" looks like. Filibustering one's own bill.

Meanwhile, reconciliation is not all that difficult to beat in theory - from Wiki:
Senators could theoretically prevent passage of a reconciliation bill by offering an unending series of amendments in a process known as a "Vote-a-Rama," but, unlike the modern filibuster, senators introducing these amendments must stand up and verbally offer the amendments.
All it takes to beat reconciliation is a few Republican Senators with the principles they claim instead of the toadying and cowardice they display.

Which is too high a bar, of course, but the theoretical possibility is there.
 
If he's neutral, in his role as presider he can coerce the Senate into calling witnesses and otherwise observing the formalities of a fair trial. With even minimal backing from a few Rep Senators, he can establish a secret ballot.

The witnesses will probably do lots of damage to Trump, and highlight the absence of Trump's testimony. And as soon as a few Republicans can vote or abstain without identifying themselves, Trump's odds of conviction go way up.
No, even in the judiciary, the judge has no power to coerce what witnesses are called. Your ignorance is astounding. And establishing a secret ballot would likewise have no input from Roberts. I know he's your last best hope, but you dream that he can do all kinds of things he actually can't. It's like Roberts is the star of the Marvel movie in your head. And thinking Republicans will follow Pelosi's lead of breaking precedent is equally unlikely.
It probably did. The stats say it did (70,000 + missing Presidential votes in Michigan, almost all of them from gerrymandered Dem districts, never even investigated, for example).
It set up the voter suppression and infrastructure manipulation, the ID requirements, the use of dubious and easily exploited voting machines, the failure to audit suspect vote counts, the invalid purging of voter registration rolls, and so forth, in the key States that Trump narrowly won.
"It probably did" is a non-argument. Dems simply didn't turn out because Hillary was a crap sandwich. And all you have are baseless, leftist conspiracy theories.
Nothing secret or underhanded about it - not since 1980, near forty years ago.
It wasn't unprecedented, either; it had become frequent, as Republican hyper-partisan tactics - especially the use of the filibuster as never before - increasingly dominated Congressional politics. After the election of 2008 Republican Senators were even filibustering their own bills, if you recall, to prevent anything approved by Obama from getting through the Senate.
Not until Reid, 2008, was budget reconciliation used to pass a non-budgetary bill, and without a sunset provision.
 
The two Democratic leaders of the Senate and the House of Representatives are among hundreds of senators and representatives from both parties who refused to release their tax records. Just 17 out of the 535 members of Congress released their most recent tax forms or provided some similar documentation of their tax liabilities
so..........................................
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So they are following their President's precedent-setting example?
 
Sure, the guy responsible for historical economic growth and low minority unemployment is incompetent.
You put economic growth and low unemployment down to Trump do you? Okay. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

Your "misogyny and xenophobia, his constant lies, his incompetence and his misuse of the office of President to promote his own interests" are leftist perceptions.
No. Perhaps you should do some fact checking. Turn off Fox News for a minute and go look.

No, the electoral college is not anachronistic.
A matter of opinion. And that's just one built-in deficiency in the system. The winner-takes-all policy that some states have is another problem, just to mention one more. Of course, if these things work in favour of your preferred party, it can obviously be convenient to say everything's just fine, or ignore the problems altogether, or deny that there is any problem at all.

And no, gerrymandering didn't win Trump the election.
Are you sure?
 
You put economic growth and low unemployment down to Trump do you? Okay. Whatever you need to tell yourself.
Unless or until you can show otherwise, the reality is strikingly clear.
No. Perhaps you should do some fact checking. Turn off Fox News for a minute and go look.
I don't watch Fox News, so bad assumption on your part. I watch/read a very wide variety of sources, including the NYT, WP, and CNN.
I do note how you try to use an erroneous genetic fallacy rather than attempt to actually refute even a single point.
A matter of opinion. And that's just one built-in deficiency in the system. The winner-takes-all policy that some states have is another problem, just to mention one more. Of course, if these things work in favour of your preferred party, it can obviously be convenient to say everything's just fine, or ignore the problems altogether, or deny that there is any problem at all.
Not a deficiency and it doesn't favor one party. If Democrats were not amassed in relatively few large cities, they wouldn't be whining about it. States have a good amount of autonomy, and decide their own election policies. Compare the size of states to EU countries and then tell me they shouldn't have that much autonomy.

When I was young, I thought the electoral college was bad too. With age comes wisdom.
Are you sure?
Yep, Trump beat Hillary in battleground states by smaller margins with fewer votes than Romney lost to Obama. They obviously didn't turn out for Hillary like they did Obama.
 
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Google is your friend. The date on this article, with sculptor's cited figures, is 2012
It's actually not my fault that sculptor wasn't clear about what he was talking about. You see the question mark at the end of my response to him? That means I'm inviting him to explain and elaborate.

Perhaps you'd like to take up his line of argument on his behalf? What do you think his point was?
 
Unless or until you can show otherwise, the reality is strikingly clear.
I'm not really interested in taking the time and effort to do that here, in what is very likely to be an unsuccessful attempt to broaden your horizons. I'm on a different continent, an interested observer watching from a distance. There are other people on sciforums who have a more immediate stake in this kind of argument, who might want to take you up on your challenge.

I don't watch Fox News, so bad assumption on your part. I watch/read a very wide variety of sources, including the NYT, WP, and CNN.
I do note how you try to use an erroneous genetic fallacy rather than attempt to actually refute even a single point.
Would it really be worth my time researching and enumerating a catalogue of Trump's well-documented lies for your benefit? I think not. If you're in such a bubble that you're unaware, that's your loss not mine. From where I stand, it's hard to tell how America will go about repairing itself. It seems to me like half of you are unaware there's any problem.

Not a deficiency and it doesn't favor one party.
Again, I really don't have that much interest in digging up the data for you. Sorry.

When I was young, I thought the electoral college was bad too. With age comes wisdom.
"Good" and "bad" in this respect seems to be defined largely by your political leaning, and mine too, no doubt. To go deeper, we'd have to look at inputs and outcomes. Once again, I apologise for lacking the will to spend the time on it that would be required to make a strong case for my view. Maybe somebody else will want to.

Yep, Trump beat Hillary in battleground states by smaller margins with fewer votes than Romney lost to Obama. They obviously didn't turn out for Hillary like they did Obama.
We could talk about voter suppression, but let's not.
 
Yeah, as Laurie pointed out, many evangelicals are defending Trump and Billy Graham himself reportedly voted for Trump: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-impeachment-of-president-trump.162501/page-7#post-3611472
So dashing your hopes:
I hope this destroys Trump:



It's actually not my fault that sculptor wasn't clear about what he was talking about. You see the question mark at the end of my response to him? That means I'm inviting him to explain and elaborate.
No, you simply presumed (a leading question is still a presumption) because it affirmed your bias. I didn't presume, so I Googled it.
Perhaps you'd like to take up his line of argument on his behalf? What do you think his point was?
Don't know, but:
To Pelosi and some other top Democrats, the focus is on Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, who’s released his 2010 return and 2011 estimates and plans to release his 2011 return when it’s completed, but refuses to release any more. They say the very refusal to release more suggests that he’s hiding something.
- https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article24732952.html#storylink=cpy
It's pretty clear that nothing short of complete capitulation will appease Democrats anymore. So maybe Trump just gave the hypocrites something to bay about instead of conceding and STILL having them bawl.

I'm not really interested in taking the time and effort to do that here, in what is very likely to be an unsuccessful attempt to broaden your horizons. I'm on a different continent, an interested observer watching from a distance. There are other people on sciforums who have a more immediate stake in this kind of argument, who might want to take you up on your challenge.
Nice cop-out. You were all opinionated just a moment ago. What happened?
I do note how you try to use an erroneous genetic fallacy rather than attempt to actually refute even a single point.
Would it really be worth my time researching and enumerating a catalogue of Trump's well-documented lies for your benefit? I think not. If you're in such a bubble that you're unaware, that's your loss not mine. From where I stand, it's hard to tell how America will go about repairing itself. It seems to me like half of you are unaware there's any problem.
I didn't mention a catalog, I said "even a single point"...making it easy on you. Cop-out strike two.
Again, I really don't have that much interest in digging up the data for you. Sorry.
And as expected, cop-out strike three.
"Good" and "bad" in this respect seems to be defined largely by your political leaning, and mine too, no doubt. To go deeper, we'd have to look at inputs and outcomes. Once again, I apologise for lacking the will to spend the time on it that would be required to make a strong case for my view. Maybe somebody else will want to.
Really? Four cop-outs? Why did you even bother to engage at all? Not as clever as you thought you were being?
We could talk about voter suppression, but let's not.
We could, but if this post is any indication, you have no interest in EVER supporting your opinions. Just drive-by sound bites from your leftist bubble.
 
Nice cop-out. You were all opinionated just a moment ago. What happened?
Nothing. I'm still all opinionated. ;)

It might help to appreciate that I don't have a horse in this race. I don't get to vote for your President. The outcome of the next vote is on you, not me - just like the last time.
 
Nothing. I'm still all opinionated. ;)

It might help to appreciate that I don't have a horse in this race. I don't get to vote for your President. The outcome of the next vote is on you, not me - just like the last time.
Yep, and I'm not the least bit worried about it. Historical precedent is in my favor. Last time I predicted Hillary would not win because no Democrat had ever followed another into office (other than an ascending VP) since the inception of the Republican party. Republicans have done so. And the historical trend is for the incumbent to win, as long as the economy is good (and it's better than good), and he didn't already follow another Republican.
 
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Yep, and I'm not the least bit worried about it. Historical precedent is in my favor. Last time I predicted Hillary would not win because no Democrat had ever followed another into office (other than an ascending VP) since the inception of the Republican party. Republicans have done so. And the historical trend is for the incumbent to win, as long as the economy is good (and it's better than good), and he didn't already follow another Republican.
Can Trump even spell the word "Unprecedented"?
He would probably spell it "Unpresidented"?
Or may be his twitter feed could include words like "Unimpeached"
or "Untrumped"
lol
 
Can Trump even spell the word "Unprecedented"?
He would probably spell it "Unpresidented"?
Or may be his twitter feed could include words like "Unimpeached"
or "Untrumped"
lol
Why are foreigners so hung up on US politics? I realize that as goes the US so goes the world, but the way you guys pick one side, as if you live here. Leftist simpatico of collectivists, I guess.
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But, I can't help but love the United States.

That's not a joke! They make some good TV.

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Even though your country totally sucks at hockey.
 
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