The history of sexism...where did it begin? Why? Can we rid our world of it?

[Robittybob1]

Hey;

A misogynist loathes women; he has a deep disdain for them. Goes without saying that such a person would be sexist. But a person who is sexist, isn't necessarily a misogynist. Misogynists usually have serious mother issues and thus take their rage out on other women. They are often good looking "players," who like to surround themselves by the very thing they hate...women.
Some can be introverts too.

To your second question, ppl that are afraid of the opposite sex ...like maybe feel inferior, may have sexist tendencies to over compensate for their insecure feelings around the opposite sex. Sexism is a put down so whoever does it, it's because he/she has resentment of some type with the opposite sex.

I'll have to go back and refresh the definition of sexism. I realize it would be hard for a misogynist not to be also sexist but could they operate separately?
Like for example: Even though he was a misogynist, toward his female staff he didn't discriminate, gave them equal pay and equal rights.

 

[wegs]

I'll have to go back and refresh the definition of sexism. I realize it would be hard for a misogynist not to be also sexist but could they operate separately?
Like for example: Even though he was a misogynist toward his female staff he didn't discriminate, gave them equal pay and equal rights.

He could pretend at work, and for the same of not wanting to be fired.
But, they show their colors in other ways. They are usually the ones who sexually harass women or they give the hard projects to the women, easier ones to the men...

They like to humiliate women. Make them feel small and worthless. But they are quite charming in the beginning.
I know a lot about this type of man. Story for another time. :/

 

[dumbest man on earth]

I think since these conditions have their own definitions, they are their own condition and would NOT be directly classed as sexism.

Also if you were "afraid of the opposite sex" that could be one of the phobias.

Have you picked up on anything within the thread?

To refresh my memory I looked up "lothario" - lothario (plural lotharios)
A man whose chief interest is seducing, usually women. (from Wiktionary)

Yes, the fear of the opposite sex is medically termed "Heterophobia". But, in the last few years, has come to be used more to refer to a gay persons fear of heterosexuals - so I did not want to use the term for fear of a misunderstanding.
And the definition you found for lothario is fairly accurate. Most true lotharios have a deep seated misogyny (hate or intense dislike of females), but some are acting out philogyny (love or intense fondness of females).
Even though the above may NOT be directly classed as sexism - could a person with these,...for lack of better terms,...I'll use, traits/afflictions,...also exhibit sexism or be considered sexist ?
At any rate, to answer your question, yes, I have picked up on a few things within this (and also other) threads. I do not want to, or feel I have the right to, make any accusations, that would be more than wrong.
I brought it up because not all peoples "radar" are tuned the same (some are not even turned on) and the subject matter of the thread itself could invite abuse.
Kind of along the same lines as politics - those most drawn to its POWER are the last ones who should wield said POWER, type of thing.
Just thought I would broach the subject(s) to see if anyone felt that it was pertinent or important - or a non-issue.
A lot of posters seem to visit these forums to just "Play".
I prefer to think of myself and most others as serious about the threads/issues they choose to start or post in, hence, the reason for my questions.

 

[wegs]

Yes, the fear of the opposite sex is medically termed "Heterophobia". But, in the last few years, has come to be used more to refer to a gay persons fear of heterosexuals - so I did not want to use the term for fear of a misunderstanding.
And the definition you found for lothario is fairly accurate. Most true lotharios have a deep seated misogyny (hate or intense dislike of females), but some are acting out philogyny (love or intense fondness of females).
Even though the above may NOT be directly classed as sexism - could a person with these,...for lack of better terms,...I'll use, traits/afflictions,...also exhibit sexism or be considered sexist ?
At any rate, to answer your question, yes, I have picked up on a few things within this (and also other) threads. I do not want to, or feel I have the right to, make any accusations, that would be more than wrong.
I brought it up because not all peoples "radar" are tuned the same (some are not even turned on) and the subject matter of the thread itself could invite abuse.
Kind of along the same lines as politics - those most drawn to its POWER are the last ones who should wield said POWER, type of thing.
Just thought I would broach the subject(s) to see if anyone felt that it was pertinent or important - or a non-issue.
A lot of posters seem to visit these forums to just "Play".
I prefer to think of myself and most others as serious about the threads/issues they choose to start or post in, hence, the reason for my questions.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Can you be more specific?

 

[Robittybob1]

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A lot of posters seem to visit these forums to just "Play".
I prefer to think of myself and most others as serious about the threads/issues they choose to start or post in, hence, the reason for my questions.

Everyone comes here for their own reasons. If you feel uncomfortable about saying something on the open forum you can chance sending a PM. Have you tried that?

 

[wegs]

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[dumbest man on earth]

As I have read and re-read this thread over the last few days, it seems that the sincerity of a few of the posters should be suspect.
When a person has convictions, they will not budge on those convictions.
A person who adjusts their views or seems to change stances to suit the flow of the thread (or the sex of other posters) to me at least, seems suspect.
If the issues I broached are important to a few of you - then re-read this thread with a more critical eye, or possibly from a different perspective.
As I said, it would be wrong of me to make accusations, even more so in a PM. (the accused should only be accused up close and personal)
It is not because I feel "uncomfortable about saying something on the open forum", or anything like that.
All I can tell you is that "situational awareness" should be practiced at all times, in the real world and the virtual. When you are reading what someone is saying ,you do not have the advantage of picking up on their body language or even being able to tell if they are looking you in the eye.
The media warns us everyday that we should teach our children to be aware of stalkers, bullies, con men, liars, freaks and other users and abusers that would take advantage of them. Just because you think of yourself as adult or some how immune to such people or activities - does not mean that they feel the same way - or that it is not happening. Most of the people that we all should be wary of the most - enjoy "more of a challenge", so to speak. Others are lazier and realize the Internet is an easier place to massage their ego, or get their perspective "jollies".
As Robittybob1 stated ; "Everyone comes here for their own reasons.".
Just pay attention - especially in this particular thread - to any poster that consistently agrees with or compliments a poster - or consistently disagrees or chastises a poster - because of their perceived gender, or overall intelligence, or even their viewpoint or stature on these forums.
Stay alert.

 

[Robittybob1]

As I have read and re-read this thread over the last few days, it seems that the sincerity of a few of the posters should be suspect.
When a person has convictions, they will not budge on those convictions.
A person who adjusts their views or seems to change stances to suit the flow of the thread (or the sex of other posters) to me at least, seems suspect.
If the issues I broached are important to a few of you - then re-read this thread with a more critical eye, or possibly from a different perspective.
As I said, it would be wrong of me to make accusations, even more so in a PM. (the accused should only be accused up close and personal)
It is not because I feel "uncomfortable about saying something on the open forum", or anything like that.
All I can tell you is that "situational awareness" should be practiced at all times, in the real world and the virtual. When you are reading what someone is saying ,you do not have the advantage of picking up on their body language or even being able to tell if they are looking you in the eye.
The media warns us everyday that we should teach our children to be aware of stalkers, bullies, con men, liars, freaks and other users and abusers that would take advantage of them. Just because you think of yourself as adult or some how immune to such people or activities - does not mean that they feel the same way - or that it is not happening. Most of the people that we all should be wary of the most - enjoy "more of a challenge", so to speak. Others are lazier and realize the Internet is an easier place to massage their ego, or get their perspective "jollies".
As Robittybob1 stated ; "Everyone comes here for their own reasons.".
Just pay attention - especially in this particular thread - to any poster that consistently agrees with or compliments a poster - or consistently disagrees or chastises a poster - because of their perceived gender, or overall intelligence, or even their viewpoint or stature on these forums.
Stay alert.

All good advice. You quote me as saying "they all come here for their own reasons", but I was merely building on your comment "A lot of posters seem to visit these forums to just "Play".
I prefer to think of myself and most others as serious about the threads/issues they choose to start or post in"

There are various reasons and there is nothing really wrong with that.

I have been very serious and tough on those who pull me down, like "Greatest I am". Some might not like being reminded about the consequences of lying at the same time as confessing to be Christian, that is the same standard I apply to myself.
Show me my failings - I may have made a mistake now and then but it won't be a deliberate deception.
Come on now my accussors let me have your wrath.

You should have the grace to write to the person/s who you are fingering, or else you should be reported for spreading maliciousness.

 

[wegs]

Dumbest man on earth;

I don't mind threads derailing at times ...it happens; but this is changing the topic entirely. Truth is, we all are works in progress.

I would appreciate it if you didn't derail the thread any further and if you would like to contribute about the topic, that would be nice to have u here. But, the thread is off the original topic and I was hopeful we could get back to it.

Thank u.

 

[Robittybob1]

Going back to the beginning
So, here are the questions that I think might make for a productive discussion.

1) When did sexism start?
2) How and why did it start?
3) Does sexism exist today? In what ways?
4) How can we rid the world of such deplorable behavior?
5) Finally, has feminism helped or hindered the overall view of women's roles in society?

**and a question that does deserve attention in our day and age:

Do you think sexism exists today, against men? How?

 

[dumbest man on earth]

Wegs, It was not my intention to derail the thread - nor to change the topic entirely. At the time I felt that I was trying to contribute something to the topic. The traits in my query of Post #138, I felt had to do with the propagation of sexism throughout history and still continue today. I even felt hints of them rearing their ugly heads in this thread prior to my Post #138. Again, it was not my intention to derail the thread.

Robittybob1, sorry if you feel that I misquoted you, it was not my intention. You also, to me, seem to be serious in your posts. It also seems that we have very similar standards that we apply to our selves. I was not trying to pull you down, nor was I accusing or fingering you. If you had not asked me if I "had picked up on anything", I would not have gone into detail about my possible mis-perceptions.
You also have full permission to show me my failings - I myself have made mistakes, more than now and then, but not as a deliberate deception.
I was not trying to accuse you, in particular, or meaning to finger anyone at all.
I have no wrath for you - if I did - I would have no problem making it known -and you seem to be intelligent enough not to mistake it for anything else.
Honestly, my possibly over sensitive radar was pinging when I read and re-read this thread, and what seemed to me to be causing the pings seemed pertinent to the topic. Evidently I was either wrong or mistaken - maybe I should call myself the wrongest man on earth.
If you feel that I should be reported for spreading maliciousness, then you should do just that, post haste. Doing so will incur no wrath from me.
Again, I am sorry.

There was no conscious malicious intent from me in any way shape or form - I can only hope that everyone believe that.

To anyone else I may have offended, I am also sorry.
And my sincerest apologies to any and all concerned.

 

[Robittybob1]

Wegs, It was not my intention to derail the thread - nor to change the topic entirely. At the time I felt that I was trying to contribute something to the topic. The traits in my query of Post #138, I felt had to do with the propagation of sexism throughout history and still continue today. I even felt hints of them rearing their ugly heads in this thread prior to my Post #138. Again, it was not my intention to derail the thread.

Robittybob1, sorry if you feel that I misquoted you, it was not my intention. You also, to me, seem to be serious in your posts. It also seems that we have very similar standards that we apply to our selves. I was not trying to pull you down, nor was I accusing or fingering you. If you had not asked me if I "had picked up on anything", I would not have gone into detail about my possible mis-perceptions.
You also have full permission to show me my failings - I myself have made mistakes, more than now and then, but not as a deliberate deception.
I was not trying to accuse you, in particular, or meaning to finger anyone at all.
I have no wrath for you - if I did - I would have no problem making it known -and you seem to be intelligent enough not to mistake it for anything else.
Honestly, my possibly over sensitive radar was pinging when I read and re-read this thread, and what seemed to me to be causing the pings seemed pertinent to the topic. Evidently I was either wrong or mistaken - maybe I should call myself the wrongest man on earth.
If you feel that I should be reported for spreading maliciousness, then you should do just that, post haste. Doing so will incur no wrath from me.
Again, I am sorry.

There was no conscious malicious intent from me in any way shape or form - I can only hope that everyone believe that.

To anyone else I may have offended, I am also sorry.
And my sincerest apologies to any and all concerned.

I took you up your challenge and I re-read the thread from page 3 for that was about from where I joined in. It seemed like a pretty normal discussion to me, that was until you came in. Maybe It wasn't due to you, but the synchronous timing was there.
Thanks for saying you have no particular complaint with me, but I do get annoyed by obscure accusations, so if you have anything against any particular poster you should spell out your objections clearly.
A complaint of maliciousness - well I don't know if it could be argued successfully in any case.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

I took you up your challenge and I re-read the thread from page 3 for that was about from where I joined in. It seemed like a pretty normal discussion to me, that was until you came in. Maybe It wasn't due to you, but the synchronous timing was there.
Thanks for saying you have no particular complaint with me, but I do get annoyed by obscure accusations, so if you have anything against any particular poster you should spell out your objections clearly.
A complaint of maliciousness - well I don't know if it could be argued successfully in any case.

I have posted 4 previous times in this thread - this will be my 5th (and hopefully last).

My first was Post #138 -

Followed by Post #139 by Robittybob1 - When I was Asked : "Have you picked up on anything within the thread?"
You are possibly correct in saying that maybe It wasn't due to me, but the synchronous timing was, indeed, there.

My next was Post#143 -Where I attempted to answer your query from post #139 by stating : At any rate, to answer your question, yes, I have picked up on a few things within this (and also other) threads. I do not want to, or feel I have the right to, make any accusations, that would be more than wrong.

My next was Post #147 - Where I attempted to answer wegs Post #144 - Where I was asked to be more specific. - and Robittybob1 Post #145 - where it was stated/asked : "Everyone comes here for their own reasons. If you feel uncomfortable about saying something on the open forum you can chance sending a PM. Have you tried that?"

My next was Post#151 -
Where I replied to Post #148 by Robittybob1 - Which stated a lot and ended with; "You should have the grace to write to the person/s who you are fingering, or else you should be reported for spreading maliciousness."
Where I also replied to Post #149 by wegs - Where it was stated : "I would appreciate it if you didn't derail the thread any further..." Very graciously, I might add.

Now to this Post #153 - Where I hope to address the concerns of Robittybob1 Post #152 - Okay you re-read and seemed normal I came in. Sorry again making it abnormal, and forcing you to ask me questions, that I felt I should answer. Again I have no particular complaint with Robittybob1. I am also sorry that Robittybob1 felt as if I was making obscure accusations to Robittybob1, I profusely apologize that I created that impression in Robittybob1's mind.
If I have anything against any particular poster I will spell out my objections clearly. Believe me, I promise and will not forget.
The complaint of maliciousness - well if Robittybob1 doesn't know if it could be argued successfully in any case, I have no idea what Robittybob1 should do, in that case. If Robittybob1 should choose to make that complaint of maliciousness, I will not argue against it, nor will I feel any wrath toward anyone because of said complaint.

I hope all of my sincere apologies can be accepted by anyone and everyone that I may have inadvertently offended by my Posts.
And , again, I am profusely sorry - please believe me.

 

[Robittybob1]

We'll just have to see what tomorrow brings. Its bound to be a better day than today. Thanks

 

[Lakon]

So much Orwellianism ..

One doesn't know where to start.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

(No reference to any particular post - just the, well, Orwellianism manifest in many posts in this thread).

 

[wegs]

@ dumbest man on earth;

The problem I have with what you did here dmoe, isn't necessarily the derailment of the thread, although...I find it odd.

It is rather that your posts (to me) are tantamount to gossip. I don’t like gossip; its mission is to hurt others, while somehow (and I’m not quite sure how) elevating the gossiper into the limelight. There was such a person at my prior employer, and she ‘employed’ the same tactics you have done, in this thread. Never naming names. But, gossiping, just the same. It would go something like this…She’d be in the break room, telling someone…’’I have a strong suspicion that one of the partners is having an affair.’’ There were 5 partners. Three were married. Hmmm…by process of elimination, we could deduct who she ‘might’ have been gossiping about. Well, one day, she was in the break room, and started the same nonsense again, and a guy came into the room, and said…’are you this person’s mistress? How do you know so much?’ I was getting some water, turned my head…saw her blush, and literally …race out of the room. Hmmm….maybe she was the mistress? Maybe I should have started running around the office, telling that story. But, I never did. I actually never told that story to anyone, until today…to illustrate what you did.

She never named names, just like you… but her intent was to hurt others, and gain attention for herself. That’s what gossipers do. Your apology, while perhaps heartfelt, to me…is not sincere. Why? Because at the end of your first post, you post…’’stay alert.’’ You deliberately set out to do what you did to cause what you did. Robittybob feeling the need to ‘defend’ himself.

I have no desire to report you. If you dislike me, or anyone else in the thread…so be it. Such is life.

How you went about this was nothing short of gossip, and designed to get people to not like certain people that you don’t like. Or respect. Or both. Please don't pretend to be sheepish, as it insults my intelligence and the others you've been interested in insulting, as well.
I’m no saint, by any stretch, but I don’t like gossip. I know how it feels, and it hurts people.

*PS--I'm not interested in sparring with you, or having a 'word war,' now. You stated your piece. I replied. You are welcome to chat about the topic of the thread if you so wish to, but please refrain from continuing to derail the thread with your opinions of others, and gossip. Hinting at 'who' you are intending your posts for, and not naming names...is gossip, just the same. And it serves no purpose really. Thank you.

Have a good day...

 

[Greatest I am]

Going back to the beginning
So, here are the questions that I think might make for a productive discussion.

1) When did sexism start?
2) How and why did it start?
3) Does sexism exist today? In what ways?
4) How can we rid the world of such deplorable behavior?
5) Finally, has feminism helped or hindered the overall view of women's roles in society?

**and a question that does deserve attention in our day and age:

Do you think sexism exists today, against men? How?

I cannot speak for other men but I am fed up with women thinking of se as a common sex object.

This clip shows what is always happening to me. I feel so ashamed sometimes and when the bitches aren't touching they are smirking.
Sigh. It's tough to be me sometimes.

[video]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbwy9cVdqS1rdvimno1_250.gif[/video]

Regards
DL

 

[wegs]

I cannot speak for other men but I am fed up with women thinking of se as a common sex object.

This clip shows what is always happening to me. I feel so ashamed sometimes and when the bitches aren't touching they are smirking.
Sigh. It's tough to be me sometimes.

[video]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbwy9cVdqS1rdvimno1_250.gif[/video]

Regards



DL

 

[dumbest man on earth]

@ dumbest man on earth;

The problem I have with what you did here dmoe, isn't necessarily the derailment of the thread, although...I find it odd.

It is rather that your posts (to me) are tantamount to gossip. I don’t like gossip; its mission is to hurt others, while somehow (and I’m not quite sure how) elevating the gossiper into the limelight. There was such a person at my prior employer, and she ‘employed’ the same tactics you have done, in this thread. Never naming names. But, gossiping, just the same. It would go something like this…She’d be in the break room, telling someone…’’I have a strong suspicion that one of the partners is having an affair.’’ There were 5 partners. Three were married. Hmmm…by process of elimination, we could deduct who she ‘might’ have been gossiping about. Well, one day, she was in the break room, and started the same nonsense again, and a guy came into the room, and said…’are you this person’s mistress? How do you know so much?’ I was getting some water, turned my head…saw her blush, and literally …race out of the room. Hmmm….maybe she was the mistress? Maybe I should have started running around the office, telling that story. But, I never did. I actually never told that story to anyone, until today…to illustrate what you did.

She never named names, just like you… but her intent was to hurt others, and gain attention for herself. That’s what gossipers do. Your apology, while perhaps heartfelt, to me…is not sincere. Why? Because at the end of your first post, you post…’’stay alert.’’ You deliberately set out to do what you did to cause what you did. Robittybob feeling the need to ‘defend’ himself.

I have no desire to report you. If you dislike me, or anyone else in the thread…so be it. Such is life.

How you went about this was nothing short of gossip, and designed to get people to not like certain people that you don’t like. Or respect. Or both. Please don't pretend to be sheepish, as it insults my intelligence and the others you've been interested in insulting, as well.
I’m no saint, by any stretch, but I don’t like gossip. I know how it feels, and it hurts people.

*PS--I'm not interested in sparring with you, or having a 'word war,' now. You stated your piece. I replied. You are welcome to chat about the topic of the thread if you so wish to, but please refrain from continuing to derail the thread with your opinions of others, and gossip. Hinting at 'who' you are intending your posts for, and not naming names...is gossip, just the same. And it serves no purpose really. Thank you.

Have a good day...

Wegs, My post #'s : #138, #143, #147, #151, #153 !
No sparring - just facts - ’’Stay Alert" - bottom of Post #147 - my THIRD Post in this thread.
If you do not care to re-read this thread, that is fine with me.
I was and still am sincere - I have no control over what you believe - and whatever you believe is fine with me.
The actions, methods and intent that you attribute to ME in your Post #156 - are to me, as mistaken as your statement that I posted "Stay Alert" at the bottom of my first post !!!
Anyone who cares to re-read this this Thread, from my first post in it, #138, or even from Post #1, should be able to make up their own mind as to what has transpired.

Again, I was and still am sincere - I have no control over what you believe - and whatever you believe is fine with me.


Sorry again.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

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