Pretty much the same one that the mass media makes every day since 9/11 with Islamofascism, Islamic terrorism, Muslim terrorists, Mohammed cartoons and films like Wilders and van Goghs. Demonising people is not relegated to the west.
Aren't those all covered by freedom of expression? Besides, its only the secular educated that blow themselves and you won't find most of those in a mosque. In fact, I believe that of the odd 400 suicide bombers, only two have come from a mosque and both from the same one in SE Asia.
Does Indonesia have 'freedom of expression'? Is it freedom of expression to attempt to incite a crowd to go out and cause harm to others or to kill the infidels as a way to be forgiven from sin? Do you think he is preaching to the secular or those who are more radical in their beliefs? While the bombers may have come from more secular homes or upbringing, the fact that they then turned to the more radical aspects of their religion cannot be ignored or denied.
I mean, he does that, I saw his debate with Collins.
And I was saying you should read the actual book so you can see what he says of his scientist friends who are theists.
I must have missed it. Did they put it in the last page in fine print? Cos with all the
TALIBAN DESTROYS BUDDHIST SCULPTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never saw an equivalent
US DESTROYS BABYLON!!!!!
After
that debacle, they are at least trying to educate their ground troops of what they should be protecting and looking out for.
Source
Another source.
A priest calling a nonbeliever a nonbeliver is as political as the western media defining only Muslims by their religion.
Do you think his statement was political?
I can assure you, regardless of his religion, any religious figurehead who makes such a statement is not being solely political or trying to send a political message. Such rhetoric is downright dangerous, especially when one considers it was being given at a youth day event.
And sorry about the Australian embassy, I believe there was some land conflict involved, where a country that has taken its entire landmass by occupying and genocide of an aboriginal population was telling another country they dare not occupy another or something like that.
So you think the embassy was bombed because of a land dispute and those who did the bombing, did so in support for the Aboriginals?
That's a new one.
Apparently one can, because it competes with religion and is mutually exclusive according to Dawkins.
Can "one"? Really? As a scientist, do you pray to the 'scientist gods' for a new discovery? Where is this altar?
Science does not compete with religion. If you read the book, you would see exactly what he means.
And there are no atheist parents who do the same?
I am sure there are. Does not make their actions any less abusive. Dawkins actually mentions the fact that children should be free to make their own choices and not forced into believing as their parents want them to believe and doing so with threats and causing fear.
Do you disagree?
I personally think that children should be brought up to have the freedom to believe or not believe and should not be terrorised either way by their family or community.
I like attending public speaking sessions. I think people are more honest when they don't have time to coach their responses in language. You should hear him speak sometime.
And you should read the book to see exactly what he says and where he leans in the "spectrum" of belief. I'll give you a hint, he grades himself as being someone who "cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there" (page 50 to 51 of the book).
You tell me, I'm the one with teh God Delusion, remember?
Come come Sam.
The first country to officially declare itself athiest was the Soviet Union. They killed over 20 million people in an effort to establish their officially atheist society. If this had been done to form a Christian, Muslim or Jewish society, there would be no argument behind the reasoning.
All the rest who followed this manifesto, repeated the same results. China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea.
And for some reason, militant atheists devolve into eugenicists.
Also a pattern in all of the above places.
Why do you think they killed all of those people, Sam? Could it be in their zeal, they viewed organisations such as religious organisations, as well as clubs and Government ministries and departments which were secular, as being a threat to their rule? Those "atheist" tyrants also banned and destroyed many secular and atheist organisations which they viewed as being a threat to their power base.
I believe Hitler was an athiest. If you read his unofficial conversations its pretty clear that he had no love for the church. But he was a master of propaganda and used words that he knew would aid his cause. Just like the Soviet Union, after realising he needed the Christians to fight a losing battle, he made statements supporting Christianity.
So because he had no love for the Church, he was an atheist? He was in fact a theist, in that he believed in
God and Christ.
Hitler was against the Church because it failed to support his ideology and he feared the power they had over the populace, so he wanted a religion free society. But he did believe in God and saw his actions as being a part of God's plan for the Jews.
I don't know. As an indoctrinated member of a 5000 year old religious society, I have no comparison. However I see that rape, murder, pedophilia are not immoral in animals.
So as an atheist, are you suggesting I should somehow view "rape, murder, pedophilia" as being acceptable because is occurs in the animal kingdom?
Sheesh! I better go and sharpen my axe and start going on a rampage.. after I rape a few children of course!
Hate the sin and love the sinner? How did that work out for homosexuality?
You tell me Sam. How are homosexuals treated in Iran these days, as one example? Do you think the Christian anti-homosexual protesters at Mathew Shepard's funeral and the trial for his murderers loved Matthew but hated his "sin"?
You still didn't answer the question...
