The Etp Model Has Been Empirically Confirmed

[exchemist]

As the concept of "argument from authority" is frequently used by cranks as way to assert that their notions must be given equal merit to that of proper science or other knowledge, I herewith break my rule (of leaving Fute alone in his delusions) in order to quote from Rationalwiki:

" An argument from authority refers to two kinds of logical arguments:

A logically valid argument from authority grounds a claim in the beliefs of one or more authoritative source(s), whose opinions are likely to be true on the relevant issue.

A logically fallacious argument from authority grounds a claim in the beliefs of a source that is not authoritative. Sources could be non-authoritative because of their personal bias, their disagreement with consensus on the issue, their non-expertise in the relevant issue, or a number of other issues. (Often, this is called an appeal to authority, rather than argument from authority.)"

There is other good stuff on the topic in the article as well, so I give the link for anyone who is interested: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

 

[Beer w/Straw]

I'm a troll for posting about prostitution? You told me, Futilitist, that prices in the sex trade can governed/predicted by thermodynamics. And if you looked closer I showed that there are multiple variables (hair colour, location, bust size, facebook...) effecting cost that the second law of thermodynamics cannot be used as it is not a simple/closed system.

Which, in turn, if you were rational should have invited you as I mentioned to look at what you are trying to predict. There are too many unknowns for you apply thermodynamics in that Etp thing and you are talking about the whole world.

Moreover, the second law of thermodynamics effecting prostitution prices and I could use it to find the best location to whore myself and when the sex trade would become unprofitable

 

[exchemist]

I'm a troll for posting about prostitution? You told me, Futilitist, that prices in the sex trade can governed/predicted by thermodynamics. And if you looked closer I showed that there are multiple variables (hair colour, location, bust size, facebook...) effecting cost that the second law of thermodynamics cannot be used as it is not a simple/closed system.

Which, in turn, if you were rational should have invited you as I mentioned to look at what you are trying to predict. There are too many unknowns for you apply thermodynamics in that Etp thing and you are talking about the whole world.

Moreover, the second law of thermodynamics effecting prostitution prices and I could use it to find the best location to whore myself and when the sex trade would become unprofitable

Yup, hard to argue with your logic, seeing as prostitution is just as much a part of the economy as oil extraction. Never knew a physics degree would come in handy in the oldest profession, eh?

 

[Futilitist]

I have no idea what you just said there. Suspecting that something is true IS believing.

In the context, my meaning is very obvious. It is very hard for me to believe you didn't get my meaning.

Suspecting that something is true is not believing it is true. You believe the Etp model is false. But you still might suspect deep down that the Etp model at least could be true. I am saying that you seem to be believing what you desire to be true. And you are obviously not willing look any closer.



---Futilitist

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Yup, hard to argue with your logic, seeing as prostitution is just as much a part of the economy as oil extraction. Never knew a physics degree would come in handy in the oldest profession, eh?

hmm... Can one do a physics PhD thesis with only field work as a controlled experiment seems pretty hard?

That sounds like more psychology... (I also wanted to mention to, Futilitist, that he should probably use biology, and how an organism flourishes or not in an environment, than physics.)

 

[Futilitist]

Yup, hard to argue with your logic, seeing as prostitution is just as much a part of the economy as oil extraction. Never knew a physics degree would come in handy in the oldest profession, eh?

Hi exchemist.

I am right over here.

A logically fallacious argument from authority grounds a claim in the beliefs of a source that is not authoritative. Sources could be non-authoritative because of their personal bias, their disagreement with consensus on the issue, their non-expertise in the relevant issue, or a number of other issues. (Often, this is called an appeal to authority, rather than argument from authority.)

Good example. That is exactly what you did! You made a logically fallacious argument from authority when you refused to accept data from Minnesotans for Sustainability on the unsupported grounds that they are cranks with an agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Dismissal of evidence

The equally fallacious counter-argument from authority takes the form:[15]
B has provided evidence for position T.
A says position T is incorrect.
Therefore, B's evidence is false.

This form is fallacious as it does not actually refute the evidence given by B, it merely notes that there is disagreement with position T.[15] This form is especially unsound when there is no indication that A is aware of the evidence given by B.[16]

Ha ha. This is priceless! You can't even win when you are arguing with yourself!

But your inadvertent confession is at least some kind of progress! Thanks.



---Futilitist

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Oh, I would also like to see more examples of my "trolling" please.

 

[Write4U]

In the context, my meaning is very obvious. It is very hard for me to believe you didn't get my meaning.

But you suspect I did?

Suspecting that something is true is not believing it is true. You believe the Etp model is false. But you still might suspect deep down that the Etp model at least could be true. I am saying that you seem to be believing what you desire to be true. And you are obviously not willing look any closer. ---Futilitist

And what about predicting the price of flowers through the Fibonacci Sequence? Do you believe it can be done or do you suspect that it has no real bearing on the price of daisies? Are you willing to look deeper into the FS connection?

 

[Futilitist]

But you suspect I did?

Yes.

And what about predicting the price of flowers through the Fibonacci Sequence? Do you believe it can be done or do you suspect that it has no real bearing on the price of daisies? Are you willing to look deeper into the FS connection?

Bad example. We both agree that the Fibonacci Sequence has no real bearing on the price of daisies. There is obviously no reason for me to look more deeply into it. But this conversation is founded on the notion that you were at least open minded and curious concerning the validity of the Etp model. Apparently you had your mind made up all along, as I also suspected.



---Futilitist

 

[Write4U]

Yes.


Bad example. We both agree that the Fibonacci Sequence has no real bearing on the price of daisies. There is obviously no reason for me to look more deeply into it. But this conversation is founded on the notion that you were at least open minded and curious concerning the validity of the Etp model. Apparently you had your mind made up all along, as I also suspected. ---Futilitist

We agree that the Fibonacci Sequence has no bearing on the price of daisies? I beg to differ.

As I explained, the more petals a daisy has the greater its value as a decoration. These petals are formed in accordance with the Fibonacci Sequence. Thus the higher the Fibonacci number, the higher the price of the flower. A clear connection between the Fibonacci Sequence and the price of flowers.

I see a great similarity to your proposition. So why do you reject my proposition, but at the same time expect me to accept your perceived Etp connection to the price of a barrel of oil?

 

[krash661]

I asked for a good argument that could show that the Etp model is somehow invalid.

you have confirmed one of the functions collapsed in 2012.
that's as invalid as it can get.
also when i do the calculations myself using your formula and actual econ data , i receive different results.
shrugs.

Once again, it doesn't matter what the majority here think

so then why are you here attempting to do so ?
it's obvious everyone knowledgeable pick apart this etp thingy.
just accept this and move on.

Exchemist needs to directly address the questions he keeps dodging.

ahh yes, yes.. more hypocritical shenanigans. as you continuously doge and sidestep my input request.
~~~THE KRASH661

 

[krash661]

So why don't you accept the oil depletion forecast given by the Etp model and see if you can come up with something?

i did, and what i came up with was not the same results, keep in mind i used your formula and actual econ data. not only that, but you have already confirmed one of the functions has collapsed in 2012.
~~THE KRASH661

 

[krash661]

The reality for you is everybody thinks you're full of crap. There's a reason for that regardless what you think. You're a scientific illiterate because you're touting a theory which is derived from bullshit postulates and don't have the scholarship to recognize it. A real Dunning and Kruger candidate. Where you fail is not recognizing you're touting a bullshit theory derived from bullshit postulates. I know you don't understand what I'm saying because firstly you don't want to and secondly you're scientifically illiterate. You couldn't do a real analysis if your life depended on it. Pun intended. exchemist can do a real scientific analysis. All you're doing is trying to talk down to folks who know you're a scientific illiterate based on your bullshit analysis which you claim will absolutely result in the end of civilization by 2021. You're a doomsday crank spewing pschobabble in this public forum. You could never answer my comments because you don't possess the tools to show your postulates aren't bullshit. Continuing this is why you're a crank.

*plonk* LOL.

like^10^10^123.

 

[krash661]

and just settle the matter once and for all. But yet, for some reason, you guys never manage to do that. I wonder why?

show the input sheet. show us what will " just settle the matter once and for all. " why are you continuing to avoid this ?
shrugs
~~~THE KRASH661

 

[krash661]

for you apply thermodynamics in that Etp thing and you are talking about the whole world.

exactly, if one notices this etp is solely shown from brent. which is only overseas. there's also wti and opec.
that's another obvious reason why it's 100% shiit, besides me doing the actual calculations and receiving different results.

 

[BrianHarwarespecialist]

like^10^10^123.

God in the math?

Penrose is a quite interesting individual, I read one of his books in my youth.

This is a deep statement...

 

[Dr_Toad]

How about a complete sentence from you, or God forbid, a rational one?

Was your welcome absence due to organic causes or because you learned what an "infraction" is?

 

[BrianHarwarespecialist]

show the input sheet. show us what will " just settle the matter once and for all. " why are you continuing to avoid this ?
shrugs
~~~THE KRASH661

I think this is a fair and simply request, it would be unwise to ignore it or label it an insignificant component to the debate of the validity of the ETP...

 

[BrianHarwarespecialist]

you learned what an "infraction" is?

Well so far I have zero infractions, too bad you can't say the same. That is why you serve as the perfect example to follow if members want infraction points...lol

 

[Dr_Toad]

You know what? Fuck you.

I don't give a happy shit if I'm banned, because the moderators and admins here allow trash like you to shit in the nest. Good luck with your goddamned troll life, asshole.