If they understood the logic of it, they would be atheists too. So they must invent the next most plausable explanation, the one they could wrap their brains around.
The Ego of the Atheist
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Phara,
What we do observe is the theist’s ego trip. Here the theist assumes that he and humans are so vastly important in the universe that an incredible powerful super-being capable of creating universes has favored him from the vastness of the universe and will grant him special favors, will answer prayers, and will bestow upon him eternal life. Whereas the more typical atheist view is that man is an insignificant spec in the universe and in the whole scheme of things is totally irrelevant. Hardly an ego trip.
And you see value in believing in fantasies because………?
The first major fault in your post is the classic error of attempting to make generalizations about a widely diverse group whose attitudes, beliefs, lifestyles, etc, are largely not comparable, the only thing in common is a disbelief in one or more gods.
Atheists don’t denounce gods. To denounce something the target object must exist. Atheists aren’t likely to denounce something they don’t believe exists.
What we do observe is the theist’s ego trip. Here the theist assumes that he and humans are so vastly important in the universe that an incredible powerful super-being capable of creating universes has favored him from the vastness of the universe and will grant him special favors, will answer prayers, and will bestow upon him eternal life. Whereas the more typical atheist view is that man is an insignificant spec in the universe and in the whole scheme of things is totally irrelevant. Hardly an ego trip.
Hardly hiding, and it’s much simpler. Just a single tiny scrap of evidence that shows that a god might be possible would be helpful.
Theists make the claims for gods so the onus is firmly on them to substantiate their wild fantasies. I don’t see anything unreasonable in that or egotistical.
So the choice here is spending time convincing oneself that something is real in the total absence of any evidence, or actually pursuing activities that have a real foundation.
And you see value in believing in fantasies because………?
And still no one can show he ever actually existed. Other atheists of course point out that some of the Christian sentiments, love your neighbor, for example, are good ideas.
I think many atheists have drawn identical conclusions about the closed minded nature of theists. To the theist there is only one answer to everything – God – they have closed their minds to any alternatives. That is definitely a brick wall.
If of course it existed, but that is just another theist fantasy.
But your problem here is that most atheists who have examined the issues do see from history how religions began – they are all man made. Your problem would be to show that there is some supernatural cause and to date no one has come close.
Chance? If you are referring to evolutionary theories then you should realize that evolution doesn’t occur by chance. You’ve been reading too much theistic misinformation and indoctrination leaflets.
I think it is you that lives in a Egotistical bubble...lol:crazy: pap
but I AM the center of my Universe...
or can you prove me wrong?
non sequitor,that does not follow
first you have to prove that some dog exist and two, is superior!
can you do it?
nice try but no cigar,its YOUR god you are pushing here you prove it!
SHOW me this SPIRITUALITY ,I dare you.
theres no such thing and you know it!
LMAO
faith is believing in something that doesnt exist,NOT a wise investment IMO
and
Jesus was most likely fictious figure plagiarized from other religious MYTHologies,most likely Krishna and Horus
http://www.geocities.com/inquisitive79/godmen.html
many many historians have been investigating Jesus existence for very long time and still nothing
http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=60
forever is just a wishfull thinking as no one really wants to die,
but pascals wager is a sucker bet
http://www.jhuger.com/pascal
fyi
souls were thought to be air/breath by the primitive ancient peoples,now we know better
http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/mind.html
we KNOW where we came from and it wasnt a pile of dirt like your buyBull says so,stop projecting...cause its you who is deluded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
I think you misunderstand.
You are accusing atheists of being egotistical because they are rejecting a belief in a higher power. As a theist you are denying the existence of thousands of gods. The atheist is only rejecting the existence of one more than you.
So by your logic, theists have an ego problem as well.
Perhaps I am cherry picking through your explanation a bit though.
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:bravo:
You must realise that he is totaly deluded and disillusioned, throw in a bit of ignorance and naivety combined with narcissistic personality disorder, and hey presto the recipie for a believer in something that can't be seen,heard,felt,touched,known or proved but thats just my opinion and i'm no shrink...add the frustrations at being unable to prove his paranormal abilities:splat:
P/moan "but rather I prefer to concentrate on evolving so that I might be able to pave the way for others. I will not stop until I achieve a higher form of expression, be in harmony with my surroundings and control matter with my mind so that I can build and accomplish anything."
DUDE its like you don't know shit from shinola,yet decided to have a pop at atheist's to vent your frustrations
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Monotheists are theists.
please read Shankara, Vasithta Yoga, Tripura rahasya, as well as Measter Eckcart, all considered theist talk about god/consciousness.
But the point here is only about word and:
I BELIEVE in a one consciousness beyond my ego THEREFORE I am THEIST
if you believe also in that you are also a theist
simple
For many god has no shape, Allah for example
and for many other, god is beyond creation,
for some god is consciousness, the stance I take,
if you take this stance, you are a theist, period.
You did not point out any errors, just attacking my post themselves, not the content of the arguments,
right there is not so much to being said, because that is so simple.
Ego is a process of complexification
First fo all, it is not SPAG, self perception as god?
what the fuck are you talking?
ego is perception, god is consciousness. SPAG is your bullshit
The only time I get upset was for some justified reason (often as an answer to insult like yours, you are the one using teh word imbecile),
most of the time here, I am dicussing with poeple while refinning my arguments and attacking arguments about the materialsim adovacted by many here, that is why there is long thread on atheist realism and if you do not like it, you have two choice: give arguments or leave.
One of the basic tenants of Christianity is ego. Nobody ever says so, but everyone thinks it. It's the idea that Christians (or simply those who believe) are better than other people, destined for better things, or have a better understanding of the 'truth'.
I am not saying that you have ego and me no,
Many religious teachings have for goal to help us in life by helping us to give up ego. It does not mean of course that theist have no ego. It means that usually they try to supress it (I agree that many have a strong ego and even do not try to supress it)
Personnaly, I have ego, a strong one in fact, but these teachings taught me that by reducing it I could feel happier.
This last months I experienced it: more you feel detached about what happen in your life, more you feel happy about it.
but I could not yet suppress it completely, sometimes I wonder if it is ever possible without dying.
These teaching by saying that finnaly the world is only perception, they say that you should not worrie to much, you should act while keeping a distance with all the worries and desires of your life.
Hey man, you were asking for it. Your thread is an insult to atheists.
Anyhow.. don't take it too seriously. If I don't like your thread, it doesn't mean I don't like you
Don't wish people bad luck..
OK I won't but I just wanted to thrash this issue out becasue from my perspective it does seem egotistical to deny (noticed I changed it from denounce) a deity.
I hope I don't contradict myself too much here but although I am spritual I am not a devout Christian I agree that what I have acused atheists of holds true to both sides of the coin. Many Christians are locked into their religion out of fear. But just because an atheist doesn't believe in God doesn't mean there will be no repercusions in the afterlife assuming there is an afterlife and a God. Or because they don't beleive in something it suddenly doesn't exist. It's like saying I don't believe in the Law, if you go and and commit a crime you will still be punished.
Yeah I can see that this happens. Many Chrisitans no doubt do push religion to also boost their ego and think they will be directly rewarded my God this is IMO is a deluded thought as logically for me God would be far removed from any contact with humans purely because they are predictable and somewhat still primative.
I agree that if one has not had any spritual experiences than logically one might sway towards atheism. I'm lucky however in that I have had many spiritual experiences that point to a higher organised inteligence so I've used logic to accept not deny a greater power. One of the things I often try to get accross is that to deny a greater power is to close oneself off from having any spiritual experiences.
Thanks for clarifying
Yes thiests are at it as well but for different reasons.
Perhaps it's just Gods humour in play and he won't give us any evidence just to test us!
If that's your stance than fine but remember I know the afterlife exists I've had ample proof of it so don't refer to them as fantasies please.
Yes it called a quest for spirituality. Even practicing something like martial arts is a quest that brings you nearer to God by understanding the movement of Chi.
Because I get energy feedback that confirms my beliefs.
No I'm not closed minded it's just that the evidence for me points to God existing. It's not just based on faith alone. You can still talk about sprituality.
Yes there are shortcomings but it's the underlying message that counts otherwise why all the effort!?
They are also atheists if they don't believe in the entire pantheon.
Seems you don't grasp this. There are as many 'gods' as people claim to exist, one nore more valid than another (FSM included). You don't believe in all of them. Usually the cop out here is that there is one god and polytheists worship facets of that one god, but that is just a cop out.
but I AM the center of my Universe...
or can you prove me wrong?
Sorry to burst your bubble but your not, your just a fragment of what used to be whole, the GOD mind/collective consciousness.
Find it yourself, it's not something you can push onto someone or 'show' them. Except if I removed your Chi.
People have faith in their partners trust and love!
Good arguement. :bawl:
Yes I would agree with some aspects of that, however they will be better prepared for the afterlife which will come as more of a shock to atheists.
I am no believer in god "machin", ok I am atheist to "machin" (but it is a relative atheism), that is it. I can not say I am atheist (in general) if I believe in god "truc".
atheist is a non belief in any god!
if you believe in at least one god, you are a theist, period.
If you say that no gods are valid then you are an atheist.
but phlogistician, you said that you believe in a reality behind your perception. That is your god (there are no objective fact about what can be said to be god or not) so you are a theist.
I do not need to believe in all of them, I believe in one god, it suffice to make me a theist.
atheist is "no believe in any god".
or "believe in no god"
Unfortunatly many are ruled by their ego and it is a common trait to bash someone in authority to feel better about oneself. I have taken it to the extreme by saying that denying a God exists, is a similar attribute.
In all fairness though I would be more worried about the ego of the theist compared to the atheist. Ramming religion down someones throat when they may not need religion (ie they have surpassed the need for someone or something to hold their hand ) is not productive and can 'fix' a persons outlook on life and keep them from making concerted opinions of their own bassed on experimentation, trial and error or simply the accumulation of knowledge. Science needs this freedom to declare many of its findings without prejudice and thats a good thing. But science has not finished its quest yet and I believe that soon it will begin to see a higher conscious organisation at work and underlying all, in fact I say soon, isn;t string theory already pointing to such supositions?
Unfortunately most God believers that tend to get in athiests faces are the ones from the Abrahamic faiths who do not subscribe to the as you mentioned above "one from the original mystic in the past" version of God.They consider this version New Age'ish or false,evil,whatever,too sweet and it is not confrontational enough like Abrahamism (for the most part,a very black and white idealogy..no in between). So, even as a believer in god I can see where many athiests come from when people with nothing more than a set of scriptures and varying idealogies about God and their personal feelings agressively attempt to convert someone.