I totally agree. It's the only way a spiritual world can exist. It has to be completely separate from conventional wisdom.
I don't know if I would define conventional wisdom as an overbearing attachment to things that will shortly cease to exist
There is a simple reason for this: some very good thinkers have rationalized that God has more credence when He's beyond the scope of contemporary knowledge.
Its more the case that some very good thinkers have concluded that what passes for contemporary "knowledge" is paltry and totally fruitless.
However this in no way is proof that a god even exists, it's merely placing Him out of bounds in a spiritual world...a perfectly logical route to take when the realization takes hold that God cannot exist in this universe or be subject to its laws.
Actually movement in the general direction of proof of god begins when one realizes that the "bounds" of material existence fit more or less like a strait jacket and the only sensible solution is to work out what the hell one is doing in it.
With absolutely nothing to go on, the next logical step would be to have a god that's unexplainable. The trouble is that theists such as yourself cannot resist efforts to attempt explanation. You say God and states of consciousness are beyond us in every conceivable way yet you try to explain anyway.
Not really.
We say that god is beyond the material conception of life - namely the heartfelt desire to make the universe subordinate to our whim. Of course that might translate as inconceivable for as long as one remains steadfast in such a mode of selfish destruction.
As far as an explanation of god goes, the more clear an idea that one has of god, the more easier it is to reconcile the issue of the universe and our action in it (and thus have an option other than setting one's senses in the driver's seat for a mad dash called life which hits the anti climax called old age before tumbling into the obscurity of death)
So as long as you and others continue to deploy your contradictory platform, then I will also continue to insist that theists cease and desist their meandering.
A poor fund of knowledge is also known to be a necessary ingredient in some proclamations of contradiction.
Your story sounds like any cosmological theory until you get to consciousness and God. A homogenous soup becomes the universe. Great, wonderful. I said previously that you can place God anywhere you want, even if it is in unknown states of whatever, simultaneously existing with our material world because at some point all of this would have to either come into existence or always have been. In either case you are not farther ahead of any theoretical cosmologist, each of you possessing a universe that currently can't be explained entirely.
and lo and behold, what is the requirement for a universe that can be explained entirely, oh masterful one?
For you it seems the key ingredient for God is consciousness.
not just god.
Us too (as well as the animals, plants and anything else that has life)
This is a relatively safe position to take at the moment. Personally I find the mind even more marvelous than a god. When the mind's mysteries are unraveled I wonder where God will originate from.
I guess it depends.
I mean if one's mind is simply engaged in the animal propensities of sleeping, eating, mating and defending it would probably be more accurate to describe it as wonderful as a dog.
As long as one is doing on four wheels what a dog does on four legs, its hardly a marvel (although I imagine every dog has a high estimation of their mental prowess)
