The Boston Marathon Bombing

Speaking of barbarity . . . In Saudi Arabia this man who hacked his friend in the back was gonna get a surgical procedure to paralyse him. An eye for an eye. I think it's actually a better form of punishment than a prison sentence.

Arguing for a society being as barbarous as a criminal would not seem to argue against barbarity. Indeed it would seem to endorse it.
 
Blind Mice and the Elephant in the Room?

Billvon said:

Arguing for a society being as barbarous as a criminal would not seem to argue against barbarity. Indeed it would seem to endorse it.

Indeed. I've lost track of how many people over time have noted that an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
 
I'm glad you people are joking, I think.

What about yourselves?
Say you parked in a no parking area.
Instead of a $50 fine, how about you being boiled alive in yellow paint?
While the traffic warden pokes you with a big pointy stick?
Would that be fair?
 
Indeed. I've lost track of how many people over time have noted that an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

Wouldn't it leave everyone partially blind?
Only two eyes for two eyes would leave people totally blind.
 
Wouldn't it leave everyone partially blind?
Only two eyes for two eyes would leave people totally blind.

Exactly.

This "eye for an eye would leave the whole world blind" thing has got to stop. It's pointless sophistry, not a political philosophy.
 
I'm glad you people are joking, I think.

What about yourselves?
Say you parked in a no parking area.
Instead of a $50 fine, how about you being boiled alive in yellow paint?
While the traffic warden pokes you with a big pointy stick?
Would that be fair?

Why yellow paint precisely?
 
Because it is yellow paint that warns people that something horrible will happen
if they park in the wrong place.

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This man is about to be boiled alive in yellow paint....................

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..................by this man. A modern day Genghis Khan. A stickler for parking rules.

Balerion: This is Conspiracist Bullcrap. You're talking shit again Kremmen.

Kremmen: How did you get in here?
 
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It's strange how the Texas fertilizer explosion which claimed the lives of 15 doesn't get a thread, while the boston bombings which claimed the lives of 3 get this much attention.
Apparently lives of their fellow citizens is not the main concern of American media. But instead reasons to go to war with outsiders and claim some of their lives is.
Shame on you, sheep.
 
It's strange how the Texas fertilizer explosion which claimed the lives of 15 doesn't get a thread, while the boston bombings which claimed the lives of 3 get this much attention.
Apparently lives of their fellow citizens is not the main concern of American media. But instead reasons to go to war with outsiders and claim some of their lives is.
Shame on you, sheep.

One was an accident, or so they say and the other was a terrorist event. They both were very bad things that happened but when you consider that those working at the plant and those who went there to help them all new what their jobs could bring to them...death, then that's why more emphasis was given to the Boston problem than the Texas one. At least that's my poinion and I'm sure others will have others as well.
 
It's strange how the Texas fertilizer explosion which claimed the lives of 15 doesn't get a thread, while the boston bombings which claimed the lives of 3 get this much attention.
Apparently lives of their fellow citizens is not the main concern of American media. But instead reasons to go to war with outsiders and claim some of their lives is.
Shame on you, sheep.

Oh yes, I heard of that too, pretty massive explosion.
 
It's strange how the Texas fertilizer explosion which claimed the lives of 15 doesn't get a thread, while the boston bombings which claimed the lives of 3 get this much attention.
Apparently lives of their fellow citizens is not the main concern of American media. But instead reasons to go to war with outsiders and claim some of their lives is.
Shame on you, sheep.

Shame on you for the deliberate digression.

The Boston bombers were an enemy, driven by an opposing, homicidal philosophy.

The Texas fertilizer explosion was an accident.

Who is advocating war over this?
 
Shame on you for the deliberate digression.
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The Boston bombers were an enemy, driven by an opposing, homicidal philosophy.

The Texas fertilizer explosion was an accident.
Assuming that is true, the latter "accident" was the result of more deadly negligence the the former enemies and their radical philosophy.
The american people should be more concerned with plants working with undisclosed explosives next to schools and towns, than everyday kids who may decide to blow something up all of a sudden.
I only heard about the Texas incident from a disgruntled professor speaking of the ridiculous level of negligence involved in that incident. If the issue was raised enough to the people's attention and they realized the danger they might be in the streets asking for precautions. But who would benefit from such precautions to promote the incident? Who would make money out of it?
And so, unless their deaths are profitable to somebody, then nobody needs to know much about it. Other than it was an "accident".
Who is advocating war over this?
Whoever is shoving it in the population's face.
The army needs funding you know, and public consent in general.
 
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Assuming that is true, the latter "accident" was the result of more deadly negligence the the former enemies and their radical philosophy.
The american people should be more concerned with plants working with undisclosed explosives next to schools and towns, than everyday kids who may decide to blow something up all of a sudden.

Well you need to tell that to your Republican brothers and sisters. After doing so much to deregulate industry, do you really think Republicans who control Texas and the US House of Representatives are going to do anything to reregulate the fertilizer industry and give real power to the agencies charged with regulation enforcement? If you do, you are delusional.

:I only heard about the Texas incident from a disgruntled professor speaking of the ridiculous level of negligence involved in that incident. If the issue was raised enough to the people's attention and they realized the danger they might be in the streets asking for precautions. But who would benefit from such precautions to promote the incident? Who would make money out of it?
And so, unless their deaths are profitable to somebody, then nobody needs to know much about it. Other than it was an "accident".
Whoever is shoving it in the population's face.

It has been widely reported. So if your disgruntled professor was your only source of news on this issue, then you have not been paying attention. It was widely reported.

:The army needs funding you know, and public consent in general.

I don’t know what Army funding has to do with any of this. If your argument is that we need better regulation and regulation enforcement, I agree. But it won’t be easy as Republicans control Texas state government and The House of Representatives. And regulation and regulation enforcement is an anathema to Republicans (e.g. reregulation of the financial industry to prevent a reoccurrence of The Great Recession of 2007-2009). Unfortunately adequate regulation and enforcement may be an impossibility given the fanatical intransigence and the contumacious devotion to conservative ideology of our Republican brothers and sisters.
 
It's strange how the Texas fertilizer explosion which claimed the lives of 15 doesn't get a thread, while the boston bombings which claimed the lives of 3 get this much attention.
Apparently lives of their fellow citizens is not the main concern of American media. But instead reasons to go to war with outsiders and claim some of their lives is.
Shame on you, sheep.

The Fertilizer explosion was baaah' d too.
Why don't you start a thread on it?
 
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Assuming that is true, the latter "accident" was the result of more deadly negligence the the former enemies and their radical philosophy.

Yes you are right.
Building a potential bomb so close to housing is not an accident but criminal negligence.
They need to be sued.
That's what really hurts the bastards. Same as BP

Start a new thread. It's a different topic.
 
Yes you are right.
Building a potential bomb so close to housing is not an accident but criminal negligence.
They need to be sued.
That's what really hurts the bastards. Same as BP

Start a new thread. It's a different topic.

Well they may be sued, but Texas being a Republican controlled state, has severely limited the amount of damages that can be inflicted on the fertilizer company or any other offender. The State of Texas limits punitive damages to no more than 200K dollars. So in all likelihood, the company will file for bankruptcy and damages will be largely a mute issue. The owners and the managers will walk away as they are elderly or reemerge with a new company doing the same thing at that location or another. The “bastards” won’t suffer much from their malfeasance. Someone needs to go to jail for something like this. But the reality is, that isn't going to happen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/03/us-usa-explosion-texas-idUSBRE94206020130503

What is needed is regulation and enforcement of those regulations. But we all know that is a nonstarter for Republicans and as long as The State of Texas and The House of Representatives are controlled by Republicans nothing will change.
 
The Obvious Point

Captain Kremmen said:

Wouldn't it leave everyone partially blind?
Only two eyes for two eyes would leave people totally blind.

I suppose you have a point, though I would appreciate it if you could clear something up for me:

• At what point does the cycle of vendetta naturally stop?​

To wit, if one hurts another, and the other strikes back, is that really the end of the cycle? Is the one going to say, "Oh, well, he got his revenge, so everything's square"?

Where does history support that end to vendetta?
 
If you are really evil, you will pretend to be the victim's friend:

Hamlet:
O most pernicious woman!
O villain, villain, smiling, damnèd villain!
My tables—meet it is I set it down
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain—
At least I am sure it may be so in Denmark.
 
I'm for not condoning an eye for an eye. A cold type of getting along out of fear is rather dismal compared to a type gotten from people believing in kindness.
 
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