Here's a comprehensive list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States
FBI stats are readily available, but I'm too lazy to count lol
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FBI stats are readily available, but I'm too lazy to count lol
Which is why unlike you the facts have always backed me up? I have looked it its clear however you haven't before making personal attacks on my integrity do some research for a change.
Evangelism and Christian fundamentalism would be. Someone walking into the airport with skinhead symbols or "RaHoWa" tattooed on their arm would certainly be given a strong once-over and no one would particularly object. In the circles I run in, there's a great deal of negativity about Evangelism - not uniformly over the laity in general, sure, but certainly in some of it.
I've made the position that Christian/right-wing militias are of note in the public discourse. They are. Is your objection that public suspicion about Islamic fundamentalism overlaps into racial parameters? Are they being harassed on the prima facie basis of faith or race? I appreciate that there may be racial tones to this in the minds of some people because of sheer demographics, but as far as I can tell race is injected into the debate as often by Islamist and leftist apologists as by actual racists - or much more often in the media. If one critiques Islamic fundamentalism, is one then a racist? You're arguing a correlation here about race that I can't answer: is the discussion of this subject in the media about brown people, or Islamic fundamentalism? How would we know? When Copts are suppressed in Egypt for the temerity of public expression of their faith, do they curse their oppressors for being brown?
Basic tribalism, nationalism, risk assessment or 'greed and lust'. We can't functionally know what he'd do since the Christians aren't blowing up too many marathons these days. Have militia groups come under greater scrutiny in the past? Sure. Waco. That guy whose wife got shot by the FBI. Depends how much media coverage these things get, and how common they are, to a degree. How prevalent is this? Is it justifiable?
Well, how much of US terrorism comes from Islamists? It may not be a really accurate benchmark, but it's what he's working with.
Waco. But maybe they should be angry about apparently not being included in the progressive dialectic. Maybe if FBI videos stopped profiling them, they'd stop throwing acid in their daughters' faces, or resisting more extensive background checks, or committing ethnic cleansing against Copts, or setting off pressure cooker bombs. I don't know: what level do you want to debate this at? Domestic, national, international, God's eye, historical, suppositional, futuristic.
Well according to the FBI it's the same thing. =D
Quite right. That was some kind of a pathetic brain-fart. Which is to say it was stupid. Ugh. But you and Bells are on this "greed and lust" kick in response to Islamist violence and what it results in is a shapeless mélange of uncertainty: why'd he kill all those people? Greed and lust. Yes, I get that, but why specifically? Greed and lust. It's not helping.
Nonsense. You proposed peacekeeping measures in Detroit, as if the functional (and factual) dynamics were the same. Don't blame me for your parallels.
My suspicion is that this context varies from group to group in the highly diverse body of American sentiment; one working group says one thing, another says another. Most of it is wrong at different levels, sure, but how prevalent is it? How common does this context have to be to fulfill your objectives here?
Well, you could take that up with spidergoat, I guess, or Balerion. I do assert that Islamic fundamentalism is a provoking factor, but it sounds as if we're whittling down to the difference between media-style generalization and causation.
Again, I don't know what you mean by "Islam" here, but it's a cert that philosophical imprimateuri can be the basis of a general problem: hello, Godwin. Don't you suppose - for even a second - that domestic identity politics might spring from the aggressor and not as a reaction, eternal, so that nothing can happen within such nations without it being a response to American hegemony? "Why'd you beat that Copt?" "American hegemony." That's like telling me you understand gay-bashing in America because two guys can get married in Sweden.
Anyway, the answer is a bit more direct - theology is bad. Most Islamic nations, if not all of them, have adopted severe penalties against the apostate, the idolater, the woman, the homosexual. Should I pretend that this has no basis in theology? Should I do the same regarding anti-gay laws in the United States, or the wall against which suffrage has battered itself? I don't think you can reasonably take up the stance that they have nothing to do with religion, or bias, or bigotry - what, the Americans are really so poor? Nazi Germany? Saudi Arabia? - but you always seem to when the issue of Islamism comes round the forums, rough beast who thinks its hour has come. The answer to assertion isn't stronger assertion in the opposite direction, whatever shit state the US has got itself into vis-a-vis their own political dialectic.
If only that supposition were universally so. Why don't the Copts blow up their children, or that of their oppressors, at least? Christians in Pakistan? Animists in the Sudan? I get what you're trying to say, but it only seems to go the one way. It's as though there were some philosophical fuel to this rage against the machine.
I've already checked it and know the actual answer.
I'm not asking much here: why don't you run a tally and see? Come on, what have you got to lose? The facts have apparently always backed you up.But if you're still really backed up tomorrow, go see a doctor about it.
Bells
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Then he needs to reset his parameters.
Yet as a January 2011 terrorism statistics report — compiled using publicly available data from the FBI and other crime agencies — from the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) shows, terrorism by Muslim Americans has only accounted for a minority of terror plots since 9/11. Since the attacks on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, Muslims have been involved in 45 domestic terrorist plots. Meanwhile, non-Muslims have been involved in 80 terrorist plots.
In fact, right-wing extremist and white supremacist attacks plots alone outnumber plots by Muslims, with both groups being involved in 63 terror plots, 18 more plots than Muslim Americans have been involved in. Here is a breakdown of attacks by group, along with a few examples of plots by some of these groups:
Anti-Government/Anti-Tax Extremists: There have been 36 plots by right-wing extremists since 9/11. These attacks include Joseph Stack’s suicide attack on a Texas IRS building and Joshua Cartwright, who became enraged after the election of Barack Obama and “believed that the US Government was conspiring against him.”
KKK/NeoNazi/White Supremacist: There have been 27 plots by white supremacists since 9/11. These attacks include a 2004 letter bombing of the Arizona Office of Diversity and Dialogue that injured three employees.
Unknown/Miscellaneous: There were five attacks that federal crime officials did not categorize.
Christian Extremists/Anti-Abortion: There were three attacks by anti-abortion extremists and Christian extremists. The killing of abortion provider George Tiller is the most prominent of these attacks.
Black Supremacist Cults: There were two plots by black supremacist cults.
Jewish Extremists: There were two plots by Jewish extremists. The most prominent of these was a plot by Robert Goldstein to attack a local Islamic center with home made C4 and other explosives.
Extreme Anti-Immigrant: There were two plots by anti-immigrant extremists. One of these was the attack by Shawn Forde, who murdered a Queens deli clerk and was motivated by racist and anti-immigrant feelings.
Anti-Jewish: There was one plot by an anti-Semitic extremist. Norman Leboon made anti-Semitic threats against Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA).
Anarchist: There was a single plot by an anarchist. Joseph D. Konopka “wreaked havoc in 13 counties by setting fires, disrupting radio and television broadcasts, disabling an air traffic control system, selling counterfeit software, and damaging the computer system of an Internet service provider.”
Given the fact that non-Muslim terrorists account for almost twice as many plots as Muslim terrorists in the United States since 9/11, King’s justification that he is targeting Muslims because they represent the primary threat seems hollow. Additionally, King’s hearings come at a time when Muslim American terrorism and involvement in extremism has actually plummeted in the past couple years, according to a Duke University study put out last month. Moreover, nearly 4 in 10 Al-Qaida related plots in the United States have been broken up thanks to intelligence provided by the Muslim community themselves and 70 percent of recent terror plots in the United States have been foiled by help from Muslim Americans.
In fact, right-wing extremist and white supremacist attacks plots alone outnumber plots by Muslims, with both groups being involved in 63 terror plots, 18 more plots than Muslim Americans have been involved in. Here is a breakdown of attacks by group, along with a few examples of plots by some of these groups:
Anti-Government/Anti-Tax Extremists: There have been 36 plots by right-wing extremists since 9/11. These attacks include Joseph Stack’s suicide attack on a Texas IRS building and Joshua Cartwright, who became enraged after the election of Barack Obama and “believed that the US Government was conspiring against him.”
KKK/NeoNazi/White Supremacist: There have been 27 plots by white supremacists since 9/11. These attacks include a 2004 letter bombing of the Arizona Office of Diversity and Dialogue that injured three employees.
Unknown/Miscellaneous: There were five attacks that federal crime officials did not categorize.
Christian Extremists/Anti-Abortion: There were three attacks by anti-abortion extremists and Christian extremists. The killing of abortion provider George Tiller is the most prominent of these attacks.
Black Supremacist Cults: There were two plots by black supremacist cults.
Jewish Extremists: There were two plots by Jewish extremists. The most prominent of these was a plot by Robert Goldstein to attack a local Islamic center with home made C4 and other explosives.
Extreme Anti-Immigrant: There were two plots by anti-immigrant extremists. One of these was the attack by Shawn Forde, who murdered a Queens deli clerk and was motivated by racist and anti-immigrant feelings.
Anti-Jewish: There was one plot by an anti-Semitic extremist. Norman Leboon made anti-Semitic threats against Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA).
Anarchist: There was a single plot by an anarchist. Joseph D. Konopka “wreaked havoc in 13 counties by setting fires, disrupting radio and television broadcasts, disabling an air traffic control system, selling counterfeit software, and damaging the computer system of an Internet service provider.”
Given the fact that non-Muslim terrorists account for almost twice as many plots as Muslim terrorists in the United States since 9/11, King’s justification that he is targeting Muslims because they represent the primary threat seems hollow. Additionally, King’s hearings come at a time when Muslim American terrorism and involvement in extremism has actually plummeted in the past couple years, according to a Duke University study put out last month. Moreover, nearly 4 in 10 Al-Qaida related plots in the United States have been broken up thanks to intelligence provided by the Muslim community themselves and 70 percent of recent terror plots in the United States have been foiled by help from Muslim Americans.
David Sirota explained it best.
Likewise, in the context of terrorist attacks, such privilege means white non-Islamic terrorists are typically portrayed not as representative of whole groups or ideologies, but as “lone wolf” threats to be dealt with as isolated law enforcement matters. Meanwhile, non-white or developing-world terrorism suspects are often reflexively portrayed as representative of larger conspiracies, ideologies and religions that must be dealt with as systemic threats — the kind potentially requiring everything from law enforcement action to military operations to civil liberties legislation to foreign policy shifts.
“White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for your group to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening or threatened with deportation,” writes author Tim Wise. “White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican.”
Though FBI data show fewer terrorist plots involving Muslims than terrorist plots involving non-Muslims, America has mobilized a full-on war effort exclusively against the prospect of Islamic terrorism. Indeed, the moniker “War on Terrorism” has come to specifically mean “War on Islamic Terrorism,” involving everything from new laws like the Patriot Act, to a new torture regime, to new federal agencies like the Transportation Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security, to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to mass surveillance of Muslim communities.
By contrast, even though America has seen a consistent barrage of attacks from domestic non-Islamic terrorists, the privilege and double standards baked into our national security ideologies means those attacks have resulted in no systemic action of the scope marshaled against foreign terrorists. In fact, it has been quite the opposite — according to Darryl Johnson, the senior domestic terrorism analyst at the Department of Homeland Security, the conservative movement backlash to merely reporting the rising threat of such domestic terrorism resulted in DHS seriously curtailing its initiatives against that particular threat. (Irony alert: When it comes specifically to fighting white non-Muslim domestic terrorists, the right seems to now support the very doctrine it criticized Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry for articulating — the doctrine that sees fighting terrorism as primarily “an intelligence-gathering, law-enforcement, public-diplomacy effort” and not something more systemic.)
“White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for your group to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening or threatened with deportation,” writes author Tim Wise. “White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican.”
Though FBI data show fewer terrorist plots involving Muslims than terrorist plots involving non-Muslims, America has mobilized a full-on war effort exclusively against the prospect of Islamic terrorism. Indeed, the moniker “War on Terrorism” has come to specifically mean “War on Islamic Terrorism,” involving everything from new laws like the Patriot Act, to a new torture regime, to new federal agencies like the Transportation Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security, to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to mass surveillance of Muslim communities.
By contrast, even though America has seen a consistent barrage of attacks from domestic non-Islamic terrorists, the privilege and double standards baked into our national security ideologies means those attacks have resulted in no systemic action of the scope marshaled against foreign terrorists. In fact, it has been quite the opposite — according to Darryl Johnson, the senior domestic terrorism analyst at the Department of Homeland Security, the conservative movement backlash to merely reporting the rising threat of such domestic terrorism resulted in DHS seriously curtailing its initiatives against that particular threat. (Irony alert: When it comes specifically to fighting white non-Muslim domestic terrorists, the right seems to now support the very doctrine it criticized Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry for articulating — the doctrine that sees fighting terrorism as primarily “an intelligence-gathering, law-enforcement, public-diplomacy effort” and not something more systemic.)
But since muslims account for only 0.8% of people living in the U.S., the amount of hostile activity by muslims is high relative to the general population. By contrast, the amount of hostile activity by jews living in the U.S. is from this standpoint effectively nil.
$$45/125=36%$$, to be exact.
$$0.8%$$ of the US population accounts for $$36%$$ of the terror attacks.So, King has it correct, a muslim is "only" 45 times more likely to commit a terrorist act than a non-muslim.
At less than 1% of the population of the US, more than a third of all terrorist attacks in the US have been committed by Muslims (Islamists, properly).
Sirota's argument is somewhat inaccurate: anti-government, anti-taxation movements are certainly taken as serious movements. They were high on the list of targets for the FBI back in the 80s, as I recall. I think in the rush to raise the spectre of racism, Sirota's taken liberties with perspective. There exist broad conservative movements in Islam that don't particularly mind violence - the Brotherhood, for example. It doesn't help the situation to pretend they don't exist, or that such sentiments don't affect policy on undesirable demographic groups in Islamic countries; the Copts, the Armenians, Assyrian Christian communities, Animists in the Sudan, Ahmaddiyas in Pakistan. It would certainly be reasonable to say that Islamist philosophy was of some concern there; and it is unreasonable to dismiss it here.
Sirota makes some useful points, but his experience and comprehension leave a deal to be desired.
The 45 separate terrorist attacks in the USA by Muslims post 9/11
Are these named?
On US soil the count is 5.
See http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html
Untrue. When dealing with things like terrorism that have low probabilities each incident has a disportionate effect on rates.
How so?
I've already checked it and know the actual answer.
But if you're still really backed up tomorrow, go see a doctor about it.
I have already stated where my infoirmation came from so either shut up with your usually trolling or provide counter evidence.
with highly unusual and rare events we usually don't see the time frame to see how rare they are so when they happen in a smaller segment more frequently we see it a more frequent occurence than it actually is.
Bells
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Certainly.. It is best to only refer to experts such as Robert Spencer, Glenn Beck et al for their expertise on such matters...
Meanwhile, a white supremacist has attempted to assassinate the President and two other representatives by sending them ricin in the mail... And he barely rates a mention in the news. Why do you think that is?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/...hke-charged-with-sending-ricin-laced-letters/
How did an MA instructor get ricin? Is he really a white supremacist?
And why did it coincide with the Boston Marathon bombings? So many questions lol
Bzzt, wrong, a population of 125 (80+45) is large enough for valid statistics.
Uh . . . no. There are at least four things wrong with that sentence. Are you watching FOX News by any chance?
Bells already did.
Bells said:
Difficult to know what more I can add to that: it disproves your supposition that Jewish terrorism was more common than Islamic terrorism:
Looks like the facts were not on your side. Don't shoot from the lip: look up the facts first and then make a statement. Otherwise, preface it with "My opinion is", etc. In fact, there have been a few more than 45 such plots to my knowledge, but let's leave that aside for now.