The Big Bang Theory is the biggest lie in the western world

[Gravage]

How can you know? What instruments and satellites to you have access to?

Oh, now I see: This is a fuck you Jack, I'm alright type of attitude? Sad,

What you believe from a position of ignorance, is irrelevant for many reasons, some of which I and others have already stated.

It's not ignorance it's experience, so faar we have not had any of extremes in the area that I live in.
It's impossible to know this, none can predict anything when it comes gw, none not you not any satelite, it is happening now, it snot ignorance it's scepticism, so if a scientist says to you eat choclate with Ebola virus it's healthy you gonna eat it, right?

 

[Gravage]

You are certainly in denial or just simply lying.
And of course your rambling rhetoric is not evidence that spacetime does not curve/warp/twist and wave.....
Re-stating a set of assertions as you continually do, isn't the solution to the lack of any theory or model that you don't have.
Any Tom, Dick, and Harry, as well as Gravage can make any assertion they wish. But this is science so you need to support your assertions with calculations showing that your ideas explain observations better than does the mainstream. So far you have failed miserably and just keep asserting, claiming and posturing with fabricated rhetoric that at best is contradictory and at worst just plain word salad.

They are not rethorical, they are facts based on rational, not some abstract explanations, if you have no reason to doubt into such nonsense, why do you don't believe in ghosts and God? It's basically the same thing, I gave you explanations that are rational and with common sense, to the contrary of imagination and abstract idiotism, i explained what exactly is curved and twisted-and these are the facts, I would like to show where exactly space is twisted and curved?
If I ask you this, you will not able to show me, because you cannot see space twisting and curving because space is not the one thing that gets curved and twisted, objects and their paths/trajectories get both twisted and curved, all experiments prove that, but none of them prove the curve of space, it's the curve of objects and their paths/trajectories, it's the curve and the twist of the distances between 2 objects and between their paths and trajectories-do you actually see there space that is twisting and curving, no you don't because space is not something physical or touchable-do your experiment if you don't believe me.

 

[Gravage]

Yes, I agree...you are being rather stupid, in the manner from a position of ignorance, of outright dismissing maths.
Oh, and to enlighten you further, not that it will do any good, a singularity simply shows where a particular theory is limited in what it will and can predict. GR certainly has that at the quantum/Planck level.

Again unprovable mathematics, I cannot appraciate mathematics that creates things and concepts that do not exist in the real world, I rather respect mathematics in every day lives, because it is very useful and based ona real implications in industry and technology, but the Big Bang model thing, is based on something that does not exist in the first place (and can never be proven to exist, in the first place), that's where the Big bang model always fails miserably.

 

[Gravage]

Of course it stands as accepted by mainstream! That is a fact that your continued ranting on a remote science forum, from a position of ignorance, will never change..That indeed is a fact!

No, it's ignorant to not a think that it is misinterpreted in the first place, and I posted above what is it misinterpreted, instead of common sense and rationality scientists use hickory dickory doo pseudo-interpretation, shame on them, they don't accept interpretations that are based on the real-world examples and the real world-interpretations, they create ones that do not exist in the real world, they use imagination of concepts that do not exist in the real world-that's not science, that's crackpotism.

It is ignorant to even think or imagine that space can be bent, just because mathematics says it so, and everyone forget how many times the mathematics has been wrong in the past, and had to be re-written, I mean when the math creates singularity, inflation, dark matter and dark eenrgy concepts that do not exist and can never be proven, than it's time to rewrite it, a common sense and rationality demand it does, but insead of that physicists simply ignore this, and they believe in it, even though everything what it says about these above mentioned concepts is wrong, since there is not and there will never be a single indication that they exist-mathematics should be based on real-world evidences and on real-world interpretation with common sense and rationality, something that it's not in use for a quite some time, for a 100 years.

*yawn* Again, your nonsense rhetoric will change nothing. That is a fact.
If you had anything of any concrete nature then you would not be here..another fact!

It's not rethoric it's based on facts when it comes to the meaning of interpretations, and the very fact that you don't even want to read those facts, it proves how much blind and how much great religious fanatic you truly are when it comes to mathematics and science in general, instead you should always be critical about science and everything else as well.
Scientists always say we must have criticial thinking, but when you critisize science, it's like attack on the church?
Yes, critical thinking is always welcome, but who is going to criticize science and scientists nd their works, they are treated like gods....

 

[Michael 345]

Yes, I agree...you are being rather stupid, in the manner from a position of ignorance, of outright dismissing maths.
Oh, and to enlighten you further, not that it will do any good, a singularity simply shows where a particular theory is limited in what it will and can predict. GR certainly has that at the quantum/Planck level.

From Gravage

'....it is happening now, it snot ignorance it's scepticism....'

Does this say it all?

Humpty Dumpty blowing his nose into hankie held by Poe.

 

[Gravage]

Religions are belief systems without any proofs and can vary widely in philosophy. Science is a standardized accounting system and uses a standardized symbolic language (mathematics) to represent observed patterns and behaviors. Where proofs of these patterns and functions can be provided, the scientific community understands and accepts these proofs as true and constant.

You really don't get it do you, when you use mathematics as evidence that's not evidence and event he real evidences you use they are misnterpreted bexause scientists say the things and concepts exist, although they do not exist in the real world, only in imagination and irrationality (singularity, dark matter, dark energy, inflation)-that's not science, that's quackery, if they use such irrational explanations they are wrong, if math is giving me them such conclusisons than the math is wrong-you cannot say something is proven just because math says it is proven, even if the experiment succeeds, because the explanation by itself is not real because the mathematical explanations/interpretations is abstract DOES NOT EXIST IN A REAL WORLD, experiments do not prove abstract concepts, they prove only what truly exists, and nothing more than that.

You cannot compare these systems. Read the definitions of Religion and Science. Arguing that they are in any way comparable is misleading and wrong.

There is only one version of GR as a fundamental aspect of the mathematical nature of the universe. How many versions or interpretations are there for the equation E = Mc^2 ? This equation is a universal constant, and is accepted as true.

How many versions or interpretations of God = ??? (scripture) are there, and which is true?

Yes, I can compare again I'm not talking about the entire science just Big Bang model and quantum mechanics and relativity is simply misintrepreted.
Regarding E=mc2, sure it has been proven, but how do you know the interpretation is correct?
This is why I gave example with clocks and time dilation, that prove that space and time are not truly influenced by physical concepts concepts that have physical influences like gravity:
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/th...-the-western-world.158483/page-6#post-3424642

 

[Gravage]

From Gravage

'....it is happening now, it snot ignorance it's scepticism....'

Does this say it all?

Humpty Dumpty blowing his nose into hankie held by Poe.

Well, dimensionless singularity, inflation, dark matter, dark energy, and space and time as abstracts concepts that can be curved and twisted by something physical like gravity are all just mathematical abstractions that do not exist and will never exist and can never exist in the real world, plus the misinterpretations of evidences, scientific/imaginary misinterpretations that are also religious misintepretations that are abstract in their nature and do not exist in the real world, either, which 100% proves that they are all wrong.
I already posted example about time dilation:
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/th...-the-western-world.158483/page-6#post-3424642

 

[paddoboy]

I'm not in denial, you are, fanatic.

but when math becomes religion that is not trying to use common sense and logic, rather than stupidity and abstract things to explain phenomenons, that is 100% wrong approach,
The only thing I do know that Big Bang hypothesis and similar hypotheses, string/superstring hypotheses do not stand with such irrational and 100% impossible solutions that mathematics offers,

It's not ignorance it's experience, so faar we have not had any of extremes in the area that I live in.
It's impossible to know this, none can predict anything when it comes gw, none not you not any satelite, it is happening now, it snot ignorance it's scepticism, so if a scientist says to you eat choclate with Ebola virus it's healthy you gonna eat it, right?

Sure, sure sure! You take it easy now, ya hear?

 

[Gravage]

Sure, sure sure! You take it easy now, ya hear?

I have never denied climate changes (only an idiot would do such a thing, who closes his/her eyes and does not look around himself/herself), the only thing I question is how exactly are trustwortyh those models for everything, that's all, because when it comes to statistics, everything can be easily manipulated, the good thing the irrefutable evidences come from the environment, so statistics is irrelelvant here, since we have real-world and direct, observational evidences from the satellites' images all over the planet.

 

[paddoboy]

I have never denied climate changes (only an idiot would do such a thing, who closes his/her eyes and does not look around himself/herself), the only thing I question is how exactly are trustwortyh those models for everything, that's all, because when it comes to statistics, everything can be easily manipulated, the good thing the irrefutable evidences come from the environment, so statistics is irrelelvant here, since we have real-world and direct, observational evidences from the satellites' images all over the planet.

And then damn annoying conspiracies! Don't forget that!

 

[Gravage]

And then damn annoying conspiracies! Don't forget that!

True, very true.

 

[Michael 345]

Sure, sure sure! You take it easy now, ya hear?

From Gravage

Michael said

From Gravage

'....it is happening now, it snot ignorance it's scepticism....'

Does this say it all?

Humpty Dumpty blowing his nose into hankie held by Poe.

Well, dimensionless singularity is just mathematical abstraction that does not exist and will never exist and can never exist in the real world.

Zing whoosh right over the head your patting.

I've highlighted part that flies.

Making it clearer ...it snot ignorance...

Again for luck snot >>>>> ignorance.

Anybody not get it check with your health care provider to see if your medication is working.

Poe.

 

[Gravage]

From Gravage

Michael said

From Gravage

'....it is happening now, it snot ignorance it's scepticism....'

Does this say it all?

Humpty Dumpty blowing his nose into hankie held by Poe.

Well, dimensionless singularity is just mathematical abstraction that does not exist and will never exist and can never exist in the real world.

Zing whoosh right over the head your patting.

I've highlighted part that flies.

Making it clearer ...it snot ignorance...

Again for luck snot >>>>> ignorance.

Anybody not get it check with your health care provider to see if your medication is working.

Poe.

You didn't see the entire post, I just expanded it:
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/th...-the-western-world.158483/page-8#post-3424751

 

[Michael 345]

And then damn annoying conspiracies! Don't forget that!

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Each time he blows his nose a bit more brain comes out.

I mean it looks like nasal mucus but who can tell as it has never been tested in the lab.

And I don't trust that machine that goes ping.

Doctor can you scratch my nose. Hard to do with my hands strapped behind my back.

Poe who has filled many hankies.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Scientists always say we must have criticial thinking, but when you critisize science, it's like attack on the church?
Yes, critical thinking is always welcome, but who is going to criticize science and scientists nd their works, they are treated like gods....

I spent some time reading at a christian site.
You sound just like them.
Do you dislike the big bang because it does not follow the bible?
Alex

 

[Write4U]

Actually that does not seem to be clear at all. Some cosmologists seem to think the -ve gravitational potential (potential set to zero at infinite separation) and the energy in matter etc may be equal. In which case the net energy in the cosmos is and always was zero! So there was no prior net energy at all, potential or otherwise. More here: http://www.livescience.com/33129-total-energy-universe-zero.html

I don't think my proposition is in conflict with the Zero State hypothesis. I am using the word potential as an inherent, but latent ability of a Zero State condition.

 

[paddoboy]

because space is not something physical or touchable-do your experiment if you don't believe me.

Well, dimensionless singularity, inflation, dark matter, dark energy, and space and time as abstracts concepts that can be curved and twisted by something physical like gravity are all just mathematical abstractions that do not exist and will never exist and can never exist in the real world,

Energy is something, not nothing much like space is not nothing, it is something, it is full of energy fields and force fields, it is a charge of the system and beyond that system.

The above are contradictions by our friend Gravage, the first two utterences in this thread rightly in pseudoscience, the third in a past thread entitled "Energy: Is it real?"
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/energy-what-is-it.114726/page-2#post-3074513

 

[exchemist]

I don't think my proposition is in conflict with the Zero State hypothesis. I am using the word potential as an inherent, but latent ability of a Zero State condition.

Right, well so long as you make clear this is "potential" in the literary, rather than scientific sense, everyone can be happy.

"Potential" in the scientific sense has a far more specific meaning, viz. the potential energy per unit charge or mass due to the presence of a field, as a function of location in space. This would be nonsensical in the context in which you are using it, as space is not defined before the Big Bang.

 

[danshawen]

I just revisited the definition of *infidel* and it occurred to me that Theists are the real infidels.

From Webster:

Science is specific and understood. Anyone who rejects the scientific disciplines and acts on faith alone is the Infidel!

actly
It's worse than that. An infidel is an idolater, or someone who invests ALL OF their faith in worshiping a graven image, idol, HOLY SCRIPTURES, the ministrations of a PROPHET or.religious leader, or other artifacts or personages who are not the same G-d who created the universe. For those people, which basically include all Abrahmic religions, the FIRST commandment is their catch 22. If they fail to understand the first commandment, what really are the chances they will understand the intent of anything that follows? Everything that follows is simply a test of the depth of their gullibility, that's what.

Newton was right about the New Testament. A mistranslation of the Greek was responsible for turning Christendom into polytheists, and they had already started down that road. He was also right about not rendering a calculation ordered by King James which Young Earth Creationists are still arguing about.

And tell Santa 'Merry Christmas' too. What exactly is the moral value of lying to your children again? Jeebus or something like him retroactively saving the souls of both Adam and Eve and Moses should tell you something about that idea as well. If it doesn't, probably it's because G-d protects the fragile minds of the simple ones or something like that. But nature doesn't.

 

[danshawen]

To be fair, the Greeks also asserted a polytheistic cultural influence on the Torah as well.

Were it not for a surviving Greek writing about Chanukah making its way into the Catholic bible, that tradition would have been lost to Judaic tradition entirely. Greek imagery in their writings tended so much toward barbarism and an Old Testament angry depiction of G-d akin to Zeus, the omission possibly wasn't accidental.