The Bible. Myth or Reality?

[Magical Realist]

I believe Jesus said the kingdom of God is inside in you .
Your second paragraph : So the first coming was from the line if David. Coming the second time He does not have to be born again, He is here in Spirit in us . The Jews can rebuild the temple and I hope they will
It will be interesting to live and see, I definitely will not make any interpretation what is written in revelation . My life is day to day, I believe because interpretations we have to many branches
in you first paragraph : The first believers were Jews they believed Yeshua ha Masshiah ( the mashiah ) . Remember God is not God to the humanity . But politically different groups think God belongs to them.

Jesus is also alleged to have claimed that he would come in his kingdom, with angels, throwing sinners into hell and welcoming his sheep into paradise.

"So shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire." Matthew 13:40-42

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."--Matt 24.

It never happened. Nothing like a kingdom ever came, Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, and the Jewish nation was scattered to the 4 winds. To this day christians and jews hope for that coming kingdom, but nothing ever happens. Because it is a lie and a delusion. No messiah came, no messiah will come, and the world goes on as it always has. Such are the cruel facts of reality.

 

[timojin]

Jesus is also alleged to have claimed that he would come in his kingdom, with angels, throwing sinners into hell and welcoming his sheep into paradise.

"So shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire." Matthew 13:40-42

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."--Matt 24.

It never happened. Nothing like a kingdom ever came, Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, and the Jewish nation was scattered to the 4 winds. To this day christians and jews hope for that coming kingdom, but nothing ever happens. Because it is a lie and a delusion. No messiah came, no messiah will come, and the world goes on as it always has. Such are the cruel facts of reality.

What you quoted was said at that time . So He left and we are waiting for him to return
As for me . What happen or will happen it should not be my concern as long as try keep His Commandments . Doing that keeps my conscience at peace

 

[Magical Realist]

What you quoted was said at that time . So He left and we are waiting for him to return
As for me . What happen or will happen it should not be my concern as long as try keep His Commandments . Doing that keeps my conscience at peace

He said that present generation would not pass away until he came in his kingdom. It never happened. He lied. Or else was just deluded. Either way it was false. Ever since then every generation of christians has been expecting Jesus to come back again in their own lifetime. What a cruel and heartless joke.

 

[timojin]

He said that present generation would not pass away until he came in his kingdom. It never happened. He lied. Or else was just deluded. Either way it was false. Ever since then every generation of christians has been expecting Jesus to come back again in their own lifetime. What a cruel and heartless joke.

What about if you take in a spiritual way . The generation did not pass He ascended and He sent the Holy spirit 50 day after ascension, and His kingdom was established . Again He said " the kingdom of heaven is in you ". He ment in a spiritual manner but you and the old Jewish are thinking in a materialistic way .

 

[Magical Realist]

What about if you take in a spiritual way . The generation did not pass He ascended and He sent the Holy spirit 50 day after ascension, and His kingdom was established . Again He said " the kingdom of heaven is in you ". He ment in a spiritual manner but you and the old Jewish are thinking in a materialistic way .

No..he specifically said that generation will not pass away until all those events of the end of the world happen. See Matt 24 for all the events. He wasn't speaking in metaphors. He was speaking about his second coming.

 

[paddoboy]

Jesus is also alleged to have claimed that he would come in his kingdom, with angels, throwing sinners into hell and welcoming his sheep into paradise.

"So shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire." Matthew 13:40-42

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."--Matt 24.

It never happened. Nothing like a kingdom ever came, Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, and the Jewish nation was scattered to the 4 winds. To this day christians and jews hope for that coming kingdom, but nothing ever happens. Because it is a lie and a delusion. No messiah came, no messiah will come, and the world goes on as it always has. Such are the cruel facts of reality.

I have a question...Jesus/the bible [the word of God] said these things a couple or more thousand years ago.
Perhaps he has changed his mind?

 

[Write4U]

I have a question...Jesus/the bible [the word of God] said these things a couple or more thousand years ago.
Perhaps he has changed his mind?

Took one look and saw that none of the commandments were being kept by anyone and said; "to hell with it all", I'm done !!!

 

[cosmictraveler]

I don't think that is necessary. For one, you will never convince believers they are wrong. For them it's a matter of faith and not rational thought or discourse. Ironically, religion was the science of the Bronze Age and earlier periods. The two were once one. They were attempts by man to explain the many things which could not be explained and in doing so gave our ancestors some sense of security and comfort.

But using that kind of educating of the people doesn't help matters in todays world. People today have many sources of information and science is more in vogue than religions when it comes to how humans became humans. Many people today do not rely upon religion to help them in their daily lives in which they must use science facts as the way to get along in society rather than religions. Today religions are for social connections and to have same thinking people be a part of their lives.

 

[cosmictraveler]

The bible is composed of 3 books Torah . Prophets and literature .. The Torah have some Hebrew history .

Now tell me which is unreliable ?

They all are as the Magical man has stated. They were useful during those olden days to control people because no one knew anything because few could read or write. Only the people in charge back in those times were able to read and write so few could challenge their authority unlike today where education is being the norm.

 

[cosmictraveler]

Took one look and saw that none of the commandments were being kept by anyone and said; "to hell with it all", I'm done !!!

You will notice that nothing new has been added to the Bible only changing things around to fit the times.

 

[cosmictraveler]

Well I still do not believe it.

It is your right to think the way that you want to. Just don't read any science books that discredit you because they will do just that. Believing in a supernatural being that controls everything, to me, is not what I have learned from the sciences. So you do what you want and many of us will continue trying to evolver our way into the future.

 

[timojin]

No..he specifically said that generation will not pass away until all those events of the end of the world happen. See Matt 24 for all the events. He wasn't speaking in metaphors. He was speaking about his second coming.

What it is written . Tell me the teaching " love thy God with all thy strength and love thy fellow man " what do you se wrong with that ?

 

[timojin]

They all are as the Magical man has stated. They were useful during those olden days to control people because no one knew anything because few could read or write. Only the people in charge back in those times were able to read and write so few could challenge their authority unlike today where education is being the norm.

Challenge authority . Jesus said " Give to Cesar what is to Cesar and give to God what is to God " He teaches us to be obedient to the authority ( government ) is there something wrong to that ?, Love thy fellow man as yourself , do you find some thing bad to humanity ? Teaching be respectful to your parents . That is an old teaching over 3000 years ago for the primitive society . Should that not be applied for our present generation ?

 

[Write4U]

What it is written . Tell me the teaching " love thy God with all thy strength and love thy fellow man " what do you se wrong with that ?

Note. It says "they god" but fails to mention which God one must follow and if your fellow man is of a different god, then it tells you "you shalt have no false gods before thee". Riddle me that one.

 

[Write4U]

Note. It says "they god" but fails to mention which God one must follow and if your fellow man is of a different god, then it tells you "you shalt have no false gods before thee". Riddle me that one.

Sorry, that sentence should say "love thy God" , not *they*. but the argument remains.

 

[cosmictraveler]

Challenge authority . Jesus said " Give to Cesar what is to Cesar and give to God what is to God " He teaches us to be obedient to the authority ( government ) is there something wrong to that ?, Love thy fellow man as yourself , do you find some thing bad to humanity ? Teaching be respectful to your parents . That is an old teaching over 3000 years ago for the primitive society . Should that not be applied for our present generation ?

Read the old testament and you'll find a God there who is very violent and destructive.

 

[timojin]

Read the old testament and you'll find a God there who is very violent and destructive.

WHat is written in the old testament is many of Jewish wars , which might have nothing to do with God but human behaviour and human interpretation of natural desastres . Many evils we human bring upon ourselves by attempting to submit each other .

 

[Beer w/Straw]

WHat is written in the old testament is many of Jewish wars , which might have nothing to do with God but human behaviour and human interpretation of natural desastres . Many evils we human bring upon ourselves by attempting to submit each other .

That seems a bit inconsistent; you seem to want it both ways.

Myth when it doesn't suit you, reality when it does?

 

[timojin]

That seems a bit inconsistent; you seem to want it both ways.

Myth when it doesn't suit you, reality when it does?

What is that U am supposed to say ? I know nothing , But we want to make things clear cut on what is real . It al depends from what angle is the observer .

 

[Beer w/Straw]

What is that U am supposed to say ? I know nothing , But we want to make things clear cut on what is real . It al depends from what angle is the observer .

Uh, can you rewrite that?