Originally posted by BillClintonsCigar
You're married Wesmorris?? I had no idea! Congratulations!
Thank you so much! I'm honored to have a WONDERFUL family.. two babies and a lovely wifey. I do feel incredibly fortunate.
Originally posted by BillClintonsCigar
You're married Wesmorris?? I had no idea! Congratulations!
Originally posted by MarcAC
We don't know enough about our surroundings to state without doubt that there is no God[color]
"The Babylonian conception of hell is made known to us by a tablet which relates the descent of Istar thither in search of her lovely young husband, Tammuz. It has been stated that the same word for Hades, i. e. Sheol, as that used in the Hebrew Scriptures, has been found in Babylonian texts; but this assertion has been made while the means for definitely proving it do not at present exist. The lady of the Babylonian Hades was called Nin-kigal, and the place itself had a river running through it, over which spirits had to cross." [More...]hell is nowhere (at least not in the Bible) defined as "out of God's sight". Hell (Hades or Sheol) means "the grave" - Hell and death both get thrown in the lake of fire(Rev.20:14), which is prepared (by God) for the devil.
The typical circular theistic tripe.Originally posted by Jenyar
The "presence of God" is visible through our intimate relationship with Him. When you hide from God's presence, you are essentially hiding from interaction with Him.
What you're really saying is: "if you don't develop your 'mystical' side, you'll never have an over-developed sense of mysticism". If you want all aspects of life (fundamental questions and more) to forever remain a part of this mysticism, you'll follow "god".Originally posted by Jenyar
At any rate, God's existence doesn't depend on His attributes - whether it's "omniscience", "omnipresence" or "omnipotence", these are just words we use to try and describe His relationship with us, nothing more. If you don't have a relationship with God, of course you will fail to see these attributes. They have no bearing on you.
For your hypothesized "god", "omniscience" shouldn't change regardless of my belief... that's what the word means. All knowing. All knowing doesn't mean "except for that guy".Originally posted by Jenyar
What meaning does "omniscience" have if you don't believe God knows you?
Same deal. Further, how is it that I should believe that "god" has shown his power? In that I exist? Okay that's fine but that doesn't mean anything more than that I do... you seem to ask for first cause, I only know of the last. Apparently, two people fucked and I'm the resultant. I know nothing of what came before and I maintain skepticism for that which apparent charlitans would have me believe. It seems to benefit them more than me, thought they'd certainly have me think differently. Further, I'd think a "omnipotent" being could easily convert people with proper evidence. The fact that there IS none (besides circumstantial crap) is a testament to the shallow vanity of religions.Originally posted by Jenyar
Or "omnipotence" if you don't believe God has shown His power?
Originally posted by Jenyar
What does omnipresence mean to you if God has no place in your life?
When you see a lioness protecting her cubs, do you call her an egomaniacal narcissist intent on destroying anybody who threatens them?
Originally posted by LaoTzu
Yes and no.
One word: Way.Originally posted by wesmorris
I thought it could be summed up in one word??!?!?
Now.
Hmm..
Be?
no.. hmm..
Is?
Shit maybe yours was better.