The 2nd Coming... Islam Style

[Zakariya04]

Zak, Allah was 1 of 360 pre-Islamic Arab gods.

IAC, and NDS

I hope all is going well and thank you for your comments


I have read that Allah means God in Arabic, apparently Christians in the middleEast Call God Allah.

I am a muslims as you guys are a ware and i refer to Allah as God, i am not Arabic, so i dont use the Word Allah all the time. I often call God, God, becuase i speak English and am british etc.

Yeah Zak, how do you know Mohammad didn't just pick one out of a hat?

(Sorry in Advance, Allah, if I offended you).

Whatever but its all to do with a monothestic God rather than worshipping loads of different Gods, the same as all other Abrahmic religion

So Allah is some pagan God. Zak, are you a pagan?

NO

 

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Zak, Allah cannot be the God of the Bible, for many reasons, one of which is that the Christian God was never 1 of 360 pre-Islamic Arab gods, get it?

 

[Zakariya04]

Zak, Allah cannot be the God of the Bible, for many reasons, one of which is that the Christian God was never 1 of 360 pre-Islamic Arab gods, get it?

ghow was Allah 1 of 360 gopds, pls explain and source if you would.

The Quran talks extensively about Abrah, Jesus, Moses and so on and so forth(PBUT). Muslims beleive that Jesus is the Messaih so how can this make us bad

Christains Are like brothers to MUslims and it shoudl be the other way round too. Jesus was a muslim becuase he submits to the WIll of God.

why are you being so stubboprn on this, why dont you wan t to accept that Muslims and Christians are very close, and when it comes to the End Days etc, they will all be following Jesus, that is if their beliefs are strong.

What is you problem with Muslims. I have absolutely no problem with Christians in fact i admire anyone in england who can call themselves a christian and actually practice the religion. I am not talkign about knobs who use christainity no, but genuine christians.

If you are a Good and true christian you will be more of a muslim than a lot of muslims.


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take it ez
zak

 

[IceAgeCivilizations]

Allah is not the God of the Bible, he was the Moon god of the Arabs before Muhammed came along and said Allah is the God of the Bible.

The pre-Islamic Moon god of the Arabs is not the God of the Bible.

 

[nds1]

Muslims beleive that Jesus is the Messaih so how can this make us bad

Muslims don't belive Jesus was the Son of God, and the sole savior of all of mankind. There's a slight difference.

 

[spidergoat]

The Arabs rejected their pantheon of gods, and retained the name, just like the Hebrews did with Yaweh.

 

[IceAgeCivilizations]

What was the alleged pre Yaweh pantheon of gods?

 

[spidergoat]

"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush."
- Great Events of Bible Times

"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath."
- Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18

"For many, Yahweh was no more than the Israelite war god, useful in time of battle but a fairly lowly figure when viewed against the full pantheon of the gods. The names given to notable Israelites down the ages whose a strong respect for Baal, and even the most ardent Yahwist would not pretend that the Jews of this period believed in only one god."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus


Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan. (Briefly Noted).(Book Review)


Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan. By John Day
(Sheffield Academic, $73).

This book thoroughly examines the biblical and in-scriptional evidence dealing with Yahweh and El, Asherah, Baal, Astarte, Anat, and the astral and underworld deities. He concludes, against Frank Cross, that El and Yahweh were originally separate deities but that Yahweh was eventually credited with many characteristics of El. The golden calves of 1 Kings 12 are held to be images of the deity rather than pedestals on which the deity was enthroned. The Kuntillet 'Ajrud and Qirbet el-Qom inscriptions refer to Asherah's cult symbol rather than the goddess herself, but in some syncretistic circles Asherah was indeed Yahweh's consort. Molech, to whom children were sacrificed in the Old Testament, was the name of a deity and not the name of a kind of sacrifice (contrary to Eissfeldt). The worship of other deities was quite frequent in preexilic times, but there was a monolatrous party already in those times and absolute monotheism wa s first given explicit expression by Second Isaiah. Josiah's reformation played a significant role in the decline of the Canaanite deities in Israel. D. judiciously weighs competing notions about Canaanite deities contained in the nearly thirty pages of bibliography with which the book ends.


Denver Journal
An Online Review of Current Biblical and Theological Studies.
Day, John Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan. Journal for the Society of the Old Testament Supplement Series 265. Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press., 2000. 282 pp. Hardback, ｣46.00; $73.00. ISBN 1850759863.

Day provides a useful guide for understanding many of the major deities mentioned in the Old Testament, including El, Asherah, Baal, Astarte, Anat, the Queen of Heaven, the sun, the moon, Lucifer, Mot, Resheph, Molech, the Rephaim, and Yahweh. With a heavy emphasis on the written sources and especially the Ugaritic texts, Day presents a considered and well reasoned series of arguments that address some of the major issues in the interpretation of the texts and provide a coherent and reasonable understanding of these deities and their associations with other figures. The book is a pleasure to read as it provides well reasoned and carefully documented discussion.

 

[SnakeLord]

What was the alleged pre Yaweh pantheon of gods?

You can even see there's a few of them in the OT with the "man has now become like one of us", "Let us go us down and confuse man" etc.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

Allah is not the God of the Bible, he was the Moon god of the Arabs before Muhammed came along and said Allah is the God of the Bible.

The pre-Islamic Moon god of the Arabs is not the God of the Bible.

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M*W: There's not much difference in the root words of "Al" and "El," and "Allah" and "Eloh." "im" means plural.

 

[Zakariya04]

Dear IAC, and others

thank you for your comments.
I am a bit disappointed by your lack of flexibility on these issues and your stubboness. Here iam trying to say that Muslms and christians are very similar and here you are saying their not. Why dont you guys like unity at all.

Being a Muslim myself i have to follow the teaching sof Jesus, as Jesus was a muslim himself. And Jesus taught to have compassion and take friends when they reach out to you. Or have i missed something??


And dont give me this moon God Nonsense.

Spider thank you for clearing that up for us.
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Take it ez
zak

 

[spidergoat]

Jesus was not a Muslim or a Christian, as they weren't invented until years after his death.

 

[Michael]

why are you being so stubboprn on this, why dont you wan t to accept that Muslims and Christians are very close, and when it comes to the End Days etc, they will all be following Jesus, that is if their beliefs are strong.

I totally agree!

IAC, what is so hard for you to see? Muslims and Xians are as two peas in a pod. That is quite plain for anyone to see.

Michael

 

[Michael]

Jesus was not a Muslim or a Christian, as they weren't invented until years after his death.

Actually Jesus was an allegory. Why do we insist that Iesous be real when we can easily discount Orpheus, Osiris, Minoian, Dionysus, Isis, Attis, Mithraism, Hercules etc...

Michael

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter.
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

 

[spidergoat]

I agree with Thomas Jefferson, but there was Jesus the man, and Jesus the myth.

 

[Michael]

I agree with Thomas Jefferson, but there was Jesus the man, and Jesus the myth.

I've never see evidence for Jesus the man. Also Gnostic Xians, who made up 50% of the Xians in the 1st - 3rd century did not believe there was Jesus the man. Why should we?

No evidence
+ Xian thought he was a not "real"
= Allegory

Also much of the numerology locked up in the Bible can only be decoded from this perspective.

Not that is matters so much, but I don't believe a Jesus lived. Perhaps a great teacher for whom the dead sea scrolls wrote about - but that wasn't the Jesus Allegory. The Jesus Allegory is ultimately based on Isis - so if there was a Jesus then He was whomever Isis was, which again was probably no one.

What do you think?
Michael

 

[spidergoat]

I have never seen concrete evidence for him either, but like Jefferson, I see the perspective of a unique character in the gospels, both Orthodox and Gnostic.

I don't think much of numerology at all.

 

[Michael]

I don't think much of numerology at all.

Numerology was very very important back then. Every single number in the Bible is signficiant. Every name in the Bible is realted to a number. These number are always connected to one another geometrically.

My point is, the overwhelming amount of numerology in the Bible points to the great influence Gnostic Xians had over early Xian tradition - over, per say, that of "literalistic" Xians - who are now considered orthodox. Xianity itself was a Jewish attempt to reconcile Greek/Egyptian theology with Jewish theology.

So with this mind it is easy to see that the Gnostic view of Jesus as the reasonable and as their belief was that Jesus was an allegory - well we should take it that he was.

Not that it really matters. The events in the Bible that are attributed to Jesus did not occur. So if there were a Jesus, again, he may as well have been Isis and born 2500+ years earlier - for all that it matters. Is there anything "new" philosophically in the Bible? Not really at all. It's pretty much a Jewish rewrite of the prevalent Greek and Roman thoughts on fairness and equality occurring within the Roman empire at the time.

Sop again, there's no need to postulate an actual Jesus character anymore than to postulate an actual Hercules. The evidence for both is exactly the same - zero.

Michael

 

[spidergoat]

There is no one Gnostic view, and the bible could not be a coded message, since it is a compilation from diverse sources, the source texts themselves being rewritten many times.

There are entirely new philosophies in the words attributed to Jesus, revolutionary in fact. Too bad Christians tried to put a lid on it.

 

[Adstar]

The term Mahdi is interpreted to mean “the Guided One.” Though (according to some Muslims) not specifically mentioned in the Qu’ran, the belief of a coming Mahdi is rooted in Islamic hadiths, or traditions, based on its teachings. According to these hadiths, the Mahdi is to be descended from the prophet Muhammad’s family (from Ishmael, of the Old Testament). At age 40, he is expected to appear on the scene suddenly at the time of the end, a period when the world will be filled with injustice and tyranny, and believers (of Islam) will be under oppression. Preceding his appearance will be various signs such as a great earthquake and green grass growing in desert lands. Receiving knowledge directly from Allah, the Mahdi will rule over the Muslim community for seven (some say nine) years, spreading brotherhood, equity and devotion among Muslims. It is also believed he will bring justice to the Earth, uniting Arabs and other peoples under Islam.

These events occur prior to a second physical coming of Hadhrat Isa bin Maryam (Jesus, son of Mary), who Islam believes was a prophet of God from the lineage of Abraham, and the prophesied Messiah. According to some hadiths, Jesus and the Mahdi will co-rule for a short time. At Jesus’ return, he will fight and overcome the Dijjal (the “antichrist”), will rule according to the laws of Islam, and cause the peoples of the world (Jews and Christians) to embrace Islam, heralding in a time of justice, peace and prosperity. During his 40 years on Earth, he will be married for 19 years, have children, and then die and be buried in a grave next to the holy prophet. He will also be victorious in a battle against Gog and Magog (nations also mentioned in the Old Testament).

These events are said to happen before all believers die prior to the Day of Judgment, during which a resurrection of the dead, involving judgment and punishment, occurs. It is after this that Allah establishes his kingdom on Earth, with Islam as the worldwide religion.

Source: http://www.realtruth.org/articles/427-tmoo.html?gclid=CJ_L0rOV0IoCFQnGgAodyV5mcA_


Thoughts anyone?

The Islamic madi mimics the Christian prophecies of the anti-christ. Many believe the anti-christ will rule for 7 years but also that he will be supported by one called the false prophet. I personally believe that the anti-christ will not be a muslim but will be from europe and will destroy islam and its future leader. The Anti-christ needs to win a battle of Armageddon to deceive the world into thinking he is the returned Messiah, he needs a willing victim. I believe islam will be the victim.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days