it's worse to lack food mentally than physically. people suffer cos they don't take care of themselves or others. praying won't help ya. jump off a cliff and see how much it helps. if there is a good balancer here, he knows what he's doing, so why would you pray, since god is omniscient and thus always knows best? yeah, yeah.... maybe it's good to pray sometimes, but don't expect miracles, unless you're jesus. you see.... if there is a god, he's within... so let him out, so he can help.... if we don't help ourselves, god will destroy us, so we won't suffer anymore.
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Leo Volont....the medieval churchian cult of the Blessed Virgin Mary was FAR from being kosher matriarchal.....To understand why we have to go much further back, and see where Goddess is split in two. She is split, and her wild side is demonized, ie., 'Lilith' the 'Crone' 'Kali' etc, whilst here meek, subservient side is kept, ie., 'Eve', 'Virgin Mary' etc etc...what this splicing patriarchal myth does is make damn sure women know their place and do NOT respond to authoritarian exploitation by men. They ANd Nature (for Nature and the Feminine has always been related) must be as mere receptacle for the 'spirit' 'semen' power of the 'superior' male. This is what their myth has tried to do. Though the IMAGERY is hard to totally subvert, as it is much more ancient, pre-literate, associative and potentially incredibly powerful
This thread is really about those awful images of suffering children. WHy should they suffer. I am saying it is patriarchal
oppression which fears WOMAN...and her anger, and wildness, etc.....Fears darkness, depth, death...NATURE. EVEN when it imagines itself past all of that 'superstition' and calls itself humanist and secualr, the unresoves mythological crises are still manifesting in BEHAVIOUR
This thread is really about those awful images of suffering children. WHy should they suffer. I am saying it is patriarchal
oppression which fears WOMAN...and her anger, and wildness, etc.....Fears darkness, depth, death...NATURE. EVEN when it imagines itself past all of that 'superstition' and calls itself humanist and secualr, the unresoves mythological crises are still manifesting in BEHAVIOUR
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Yea! I think that proves my point. This asshole Pat Robertson is a filthy rich bastard making money off the backs of those same African people, that he indirectly pays penuts for their labor. And lets them starve to death, while we ALL KNOW he could contribute to their plea, of hunger.
Godless
top mosker said:
Doubtful. The ancient Polynesians had it all—food for the picking, pleasant temps year round, no worries. So what did they do? They established the taboo system, where the tiniest infraction meant a death sentence. They were bored without suffering, so they intentionally added suffering to their society.
There’s a Twilight Zone episode where a mobster goes to heaven and there gets everything he wants. He soon realizes that it’s really hell.
The Earth is designed for opportunity. For example, opportunity to feel happy or sad, secure or afraid. That is the way we designed it in concert with God. It is simple logic that it would be impossible to feel happiness were it not for sadness. Somebody in our experience must be sad (or we must have a memory of that) for us to be able to feel happiness in contrast.
Ask yourself, if you would much rather be without suffering 100% of the time, why are you here discussing it, not to end it but to enjoy it?
Godless said:
Were there no evil or suffering in the world, how could I have the opportunity to end the evil and suffering? What purpose would I have then? Just to sit in a chair until I die?
People get immense satisfaction from evil and suffering. They read about it, watch movies about it, help to end it, help others to avoid it, discuss it like we're doing here, and on and on. If they are the victim of evil or suffering, they get satisfaction from being helped or saved or spared (like how those who escaped the tsunami feel incredibly lucky—why would they feel lucky to have almost died? Answer that one and you’ll see what I’m getting at here). There is nothing ignorant in seeing how such a world is a benevolent creation.
Leo Volont said:
You spout nothing but hateful bigotry. And then you have the nice little cop out of calling it a "hypothesis". So very clever. And I must wonder out loud again, what does this have to do with God allowing the suffering of the children in spite of His promises?
I'm not generally hostile, and if I am then it's my nature. I cannot change that anymore than I can change what I had for dinner yesterday.
Kindly show me where I implied there is a reason for people to be hungry. However, you seem to think it requires no more than one rich person picking a wad of cash out of his pocket and it's all resolved, which is far from the reality of it. My country gives hundreds of millions annually to the starving, and those less fortunate than ourselves. But in the light of this debate and topic, it can only be said that we did not cause their plight, we did not force abject suffering upon them, and your only argument boils down to god being meaningless. Humans can solve natural problems - god is nothing. You say little more than that.
But then how dare you even try to commend god, to try and put such love on a being that when it comes down to it - is invisible, and hiding from the realities of the life he created for us. Of course it's easy for you to say to me, given that we both enjoy certain luxuries - but sit down and tell that to one of these children.
I fail to see the relevance.
And the pope? My old house was bought by a priest for over half a million British pounds. That is some serious earnings, and this guy wasn't even high up on the chain. Where does his money go? For the sake of this topic, should he not be giving all he has away? Why waste around £580,000 on a house when a £20,000 cupboard would do, and the rest could save the starving? Well?
Tell me why you decided to settle on a "sportsman" as being rich while ignoring the religious leaders who piss and poop money and yet do nothing to aid those in need?
They don't have to be, and wouldn't be if the planet wasn't created by your god to be so fucking inhospitable to human life. If the sun didn't bake those kids to death, kill the crops and the livestock, cause disease etc, then we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.
Regardless to what you think, man did not create the environment, nor did he sit down and create the numerous diseases that kill these children in the most disgusting and obscene manner imaginable. So I ask you: who did?
Their lives do suck. Ok, you need to see some kid rotting in the desert so you can enjoy playstation, but that is the most perverse notion to a sane and rational man. I don't need to know about coffee ice cream to like rum and raisin ice cream.
Of course we would. You're giving the fools argument, and it falls apart under scrutiny.
Yeah, tell that to the kids fucking starving to death. Easy for you to say sitting in your warm house heh?
Luckily it wont come to that because god causes enough bad shit to keep us busy until this world and all on it will perish in the most obscene manner imaginable.
It is weird to see the religious folk finally relent and state god is completely irrelevant to life. That is all you're saying. All the praying, all the chorus and cheer is fucking meaningless. People will rot, and the only ones who can change that are humans. People will happily starve and it's upto the world to undo what god has done. It is upto us to fight against the viciousness and evilness of this being you worship. With every move, with every £10 we donate, we are fighting your god hand for hand. Goodbye god, you're worthless to humans, (except comfortable humans).
§outh§tar said:
Who says God is a he? God is a collective consciousness; i.e. us, not some dude on a throne. So yes, when we ask for kids to starve, they do. If that did not happen, then how could we then expect the kids to be sated when we ask for that instead? Either we have free will or we don’t. It can’t be something in between.
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SnakeLord said:
I said our lives, not their lives. Of course their lives suck. And so would ours if theirs did not.
You need to have tasted something other than rum and raisin ice cream, or be able to empathize with someone who has tasted that something other. Otherwise the flavor of rum or raisin has no meaning in regards to taste. Something has meaning only in relation to something else.
If it’s a fools argument then it should be simple for you to show how it falls apart rather than just claim it does. You can start by telling me how you can like rum and raisin ice cream when you’ve tasted nothing else.
It is the kids who are being charitable. They fulfill the request that some of us have to enjoy sitting in our warm houses in comparison. They fulfill the request that some of us have to have starving kids to help. They are heroes. We can thank God for them.
The elegance of this setup is hard to fully appreciate if you think the kids just have a miserable life and die and that’s it. But that is not all there is. We are those kids in other lives, providing the charity or being helped. We are all in this life together, and life is eternal. Someone has to step up to the plate to be the unfortunate. Over many lives everyone participates in the unfortunate role.
How can you know this? Go see a hypnotherapist who, with minimal prompting, can help you to re-experience past lives, which you will experience in vivid detail. You can go back to the hypnotherapist again and again and the re-experiences of your past lives will not alter, but rather be filled in with ever greater detail, as far back as you dare to go.
God is not outside of ourselves, so to understand better replace “god causes” with “we choose”. If most of us choose that, it will certainly happen.
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duendy: the medieval churchian cult of the Blessed Virgin Mary was FAR from being kosher matriarchal.....To understand why we have to go much further back, and see where Goddess is split in two. She is split, and her wild side is demonized, ie., 'Lilith' the 'Crone' 'Kali' etc, whilst here meek, subservient side is kept, ie., 'Eve', 'Virgin Mary' etc etc...what this splicing patriarchal myth does is make damn sure women know their place and do NOT respond to authoritarian exploitation by men. They ANd Nature (for Nature and the Feminine has always been related) must be as mere receptacle for the 'spirit' 'semen' power of the 'superior' male. This is what their myth has tried to do. Though the IMAGERY is hard to totally subvert, as it is much more ancient, pre-literate, associative and potentially incredibly powerful
This thread is really about those awful images of suffering children. WHy should they suffer. I am saying it is patriarchal
oppression which fears WOMAN...and her anger, and wildness, etc.....Fears darkness, depth, death...NATURE. EVEN when it imagines itself past all of that 'superstition' and calls itself humanist and secualr, the unresoves mythological crises are still manifesting in BEHAVIOUR
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M*W: duendy, you NEVER cease to amaze moi! I just wanted to point out that man has always feared and awed the power of womanhood, because they bleed but do not die, and it is women who give birth and life from their innermost feminine creativity. The best thing man could create is a hard-on.
This thread is really about those awful images of suffering children. WHy should they suffer. I am saying it is patriarchal
oppression which fears WOMAN...and her anger, and wildness, etc.....Fears darkness, depth, death...NATURE. EVEN when it imagines itself past all of that 'superstition' and calls itself humanist and secualr, the unresoves mythological crises are still manifesting in BEHAVIOUR
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M*W: duendy, you NEVER cease to amaze moi! I just wanted to point out that man has always feared and awed the power of womanhood, because they bleed but do not die, and it is women who give birth and life from their innermost feminine creativity. The best thing man could create is a hard-on.
§outh§tar said:
You can take its literal meaning, a group consciousness. We are conscious beings. We also have a subconscious self (the inner child), which is revealed by a hypnotist. We also have a superconscious self, where we are aware of our union as one entity. When people talk about God they typically refer to this entity even though they may not be consciously aware of its nature. The apparent wall between your conscious self and your other selves is by design. With contemplation (meditation in all its forms) you can become more consciously aware of the nature of God of which you are part. That is where I got the definition.
Leo Volont
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duendy said:
That's true... the Catholic Church has had a constant battle within its own ranks from its very conception... between the Pauline Bishops, the forces of Patriarchy, and the Marian Saints and the Marian Religious Orders.
When enemies of the Catholic Church come out and begin abusing all things Catholic, they primarily chose to take on the Church of the Bishops, which is only a tiny minority of The Church. The enemies of the Church never bother to consider the Saints and the Marian Religious Orders which exercise the greater Cultural Influence. The Civilization of the High Middle Ages, in which every Cathedral was called a Notre Dame, was not a product of the Bishops, but represented the groundswell of Devotion to the Mother Goddess Mary.
If you think I am stretching the Truth, just take a look at one of the most recent Marian Icons: Our Lady of Grace. She stands upon a Serpent. It is reminiscent of the Ancient Icons of the Goddess, picturing Her with the Serpent -- The Life Force. Her She stands in Transcendence of the merely Earthly Life, presenting a Spiritual Beacon. But, nevertheless, we have a reassertion of Civilized Feminine Ethics, as opposed to Patriarchal Barbarian War Ethics. Unfortunately there are few Marian Catholics, since the Conservative Republicans hate them and suppress them, and even many of those who hate the Conservative Republicans also, most misguidedly join with their enemies in also hating the Catholic Marians. All of these Secular Atheists claim to disagree with Patriarchal Barbarism, all while they stand shoulder to shoulder with It in combatting the only instance still left alive of Feminine Civilization -- Marian Catholicism.
§outh§tar,
Just a comment from your posts in general across the thread. YOU are
correct. All the faith and prayer before, during, and after any event
(both negative and positive) does NOTHING. The fact that reality repeatedly
contradicts the 'word of God' is a fine proof that 'God', simply put, does not
exist.
Great job in presenting the truth and I must admit that those pictures are
very disturbing (being a Sentient life form in Earth can be pretty fucked
up thing for some folks).
Just a comment from your posts in general across the thread. YOU are
correct. All the faith and prayer before, during, and after any event
(both negative and positive) does NOTHING. The fact that reality repeatedly
contradicts the 'word of God' is a fine proof that 'God', simply put, does not
exist.
Great job in presenting the truth and I must admit that those pictures are
very disturbing (being a Sentient life form in Earth can be pretty fucked
up thing for some folks).
Leo Volont
Registered Senior Member
Crunchy Cat said:
Absolutely NOT!
The Proof of God is in his Wrath punishing a Sinful World.
After the World killed, murdered, His Son Jesus, has not the World fully deserved all the suffering it gets... and more?
There had been a few good years back during the 90's, and it was THEN that I wondered where God was. Now with God plainly pounding His Fist upon the Earth, He had become very clear to me.
But has it been enough to bring Sinners to Penance. No. Well, we just need more of the same until you Atheists finally get the point.