I will. Thanks.Originally posted by Dearprudence
Thanks. I've recently got a new bike, though. I like to think of Sequoia (my new bike) as a reincarnation of Apollo. LOL.
Anyway -- I'm taking off. This place like bores me to death, and I'm sure I bore everyone else too. Sooo -- it was nice chatting with you Jane: and please, laugh those little buggers off, right? Take care.
Duncan
telepathy
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There is no way to explain telepathy scientifically. All this talk about thought energies and such is nonsense. There is no medium in the physical world that could carry telepathy, so in essence it IS impossible.
Of course, there may exist a paranormal realm where things are not limited by physical laws, and telepathy could be a part of this. Then, however, the effect of telepathy should still be testable. No tests so far have been able to produce useful evidence of telepathy. Somebody mentioned Sheldrake; I have studied his test reports and they are too flawed to prove anything.
For some of the anecdotes related here: Well, those are good examples of a form of "telepathy" that does exist; the ability to guess what somebody else is thinking in a given context. Especially if you know the other person well, this can be quite amazing at times, but there is nothing supernatural about it.
Hans
Of course, there may exist a paranormal realm where things are not limited by physical laws, and telepathy could be a part of this. Then, however, the effect of telepathy should still be testable. No tests so far have been able to produce useful evidence of telepathy. Somebody mentioned Sheldrake; I have studied his test reports and they are too flawed to prove anything.
For some of the anecdotes related here: Well, those are good examples of a form of "telepathy" that does exist; the ability to guess what somebody else is thinking in a given context. Especially if you know the other person well, this can be quite amazing at times, but there is nothing supernatural about it.
Hans
Our brains do produce electrical signals. But they are very weak. ANY electrical signal produces an EM wave, but because of the low voltage, low frequency, the EM waves emitted from the brain are too weak to be measurable.
So just because we cannot currently measure them why can't they be significant? Because this is not just a question of equipment sensitivity. Everywhere around us there exists a noise floor, that is, even if we turned off all man-made radio sources, there would be a thermal noise background coming from the Sun, the Universe, and even from Earth itself. Any EM waves emitted from the brain are several orders of magnitude weaker than this noise floor. This is the reason we cannot measure them; they are drowned out by noise.
So might not the human brain have some, yet to be realized hypersensitivity? No, it does not seem so; We can flood the human brain with very intensive EM waves, but they are not percieved at all. Consider your cellphone: It emits an up to 2Watt EM signal right neXt to your brain. This is billions of times more than the signal you might recieve from the brain of another person, even if your heads touched. But you do not percive it.
EM waves is a very throughly researched area. It is extremely unlikely that there are any important properties of them that we do not know about.
Hans
Certainly not. The electrical signals in the brain can be measured (EEG) and are an important factor in diagnosing many diseases. But they are measured with electrodes attached to the skin.
What I am saying is that these signals effectively do not propagate away from the head.
If you are looking for bizarre parapsycological ways, fine, just don't confuse them with science. In the world known by science, telepathy is not possible. In the paranormal world, anything is concievable.
Hans
As I already stated: It is not a question of equipment, it is a question of signal to noise ratio. The universe has a noise floor, any signals that are significantly below that noise floor are impossible to detect, no matter how sensitive the equipment. We can actually detect narrow-band signals some 16 dB into the noise floor, but brain signals are not narrow-band.
Plus, as I also mentioned above, we KNOW that the human brain is not sensitive to EM waves, because if it was, you would "hear" radio signals.
So put those two things together:
Transmitted signals are so weak they are drowned out by noise
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No receiver sensitivity
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No communication.
Again: There is no physical mechanism that could support telepathy.
Hans
But what if... the 'band' for normal brain function (ie memory, motor activity, etc) was different from the band for telepathic function? Those others would seem to involve basic survival thoughts whereas telepathy involves communication. Maybe I'm not saying it right, but you know what I mean. Right?
And what you dont get Hans?
Brain signals are so weak they are drowned out by noise
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No brain sensitivity
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No conversation.
Or put it like this: (my imaginary side)
So whats the reason people dont think they read human minds but they say they speak with gods?
So put those two things together:
Then it leads to what you are saying Hans!
Janeelsa + Dearprudence:
None of science is proven beyond doubt, so don't worry too much about acceptance of "unproven" phenomena. The problem is actually a bit different.
The telepathic effects that most people report occur so infrequently and unreliably that it's possible that people are only imagining them.
I understand what you mean with your husband - I sometimes hear what my love's thinking as well and vice versa. I can't tell what the mechanism is though, so I don't immediately believe that it's telepathy 'cause it could be something else - subtle sounds and smells, subconscious sense of another person's body language, it's difficult to tell. In the biz they refer to this as Hypersensory Perception, HSP, which basically refers to a situation in which your normal senses are more sensitive than you give them credit for.
Having seen some of the weird yet plausible explanations which arise for some circumstances, I am unwilling to decide on a theory for these sorts of phenomena. To adopt mental telepathy as the explanation seems premature, since this is the only evidence I have.
None of science is proven beyond doubt, so don't worry too much about acceptance of "unproven" phenomena. The problem is actually a bit different.
The telepathic effects that most people report occur so infrequently and unreliably that it's possible that people are only imagining them.
I understand what you mean with your husband - I sometimes hear what my love's thinking as well and vice versa. I can't tell what the mechanism is though, so I don't immediately believe that it's telepathy 'cause it could be something else - subtle sounds and smells, subconscious sense of another person's body language, it's difficult to tell. In the biz they refer to this as Hypersensory Perception, HSP, which basically refers to a situation in which your normal senses are more sensitive than you give them credit for.
Having seen some of the weird yet plausible explanations which arise for some circumstances, I am unwilling to decide on a theory for these sorts of phenomena. To adopt mental telepathy as the explanation seems premature, since this is the only evidence I have.
can someone who can do telepathy do telekinesis as well?