Taliban flee battle using children as shields: NATO
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The UN sanctions affected the civilians much more than they affected Saddam. That is one colossal human shield.
Perhaps, but they did prevent him from persuing WMD and nuclear programs.
1) If we want to really use this as propaganda in the Secularization of Afghanistan then we need the troops to bring high quality cameras to video these events. Surely as one pics off one Taliban another 5 mushroom up in that ones place. So it'd be better to let 5 escape but get really good video coverage of their cowardliness and show it on afghan TV each day with some sarcastic voiceover talking about the oh so brave mujahadeen running away like a little girl
2) How do we know that the "child" (how old?) wasn't supporting the Taliban to escape? How does one “run” away while carrying a child as a shield? I don't get it? Are you sure this isn't more USA propaganda? I mean "700" fighters and only 3 were killed? What? There were 697 children lined up as a big shield?
SamCDKey:
You are a smart woman. You are educated and well informed. That is why I am not only shocked, but saddened, by what can only be construed as a radical turn in your thinking over the last few months.
You have shifted from "the US deserves some of the blame" to "the US causes the Taliban to use children as human shields and the Taliban are not to be blamed, as they are fighting the Evil Americans". You are becoming not only a carciature of yourself, but of Islam as a whole, and more specifically, I would argue that you are now simply buying into every single piece of anti-American propoganda existent.
You refuse to even debate issues now. Instead, you lay all the blame on America. Not some, not even a moderate amount, but all.
Not only that but you are becoming a disruptive influence on this board. This has ceased to become a matter of "an alternative view" to abject thread hijacking. If you want to make a thread about American "atrocities" feel free - but stop justifying terrorists in a thread which isn't about such.
Anyway, SamCDKey, I'd like you to clarify your position to us all. And please, do not dodge the question again through a petulant and immature "oh but Americans did some bad things, too!".
Do you, or do you not, support the usage of human shields by the Taliban, specifically the usage of children as human shields?
Do you or do you not place moral blame and censure on the part of the Taliban?
Do you, in fact, support the Taliban in anyway? Or Al'Qaeda?
By your words, I'd judge you'd answer yes to the first question, no to the second, and yes on three. If I am mistaken, please enlighten us.
You are a smart woman. You are educated and well informed. That is why I am not only shocked, but saddened, by what can only be construed as a radical turn in your thinking over the last few months.
You have shifted from "the US deserves some of the blame" to "the US causes the Taliban to use children as human shields and the Taliban are not to be blamed, as they are fighting the Evil Americans". You are becoming not only a carciature of yourself, but of Islam as a whole, and more specifically, I would argue that you are now simply buying into every single piece of anti-American propoganda existent.
You refuse to even debate issues now. Instead, you lay all the blame on America. Not some, not even a moderate amount, but all.
Not only that but you are becoming a disruptive influence on this board. This has ceased to become a matter of "an alternative view" to abject thread hijacking. If you want to make a thread about American "atrocities" feel free - but stop justifying terrorists in a thread which isn't about such.
Anyway, SamCDKey, I'd like you to clarify your position to us all. And please, do not dodge the question again through a petulant and immature "oh but Americans did some bad things, too!".
Do you, or do you not, support the usage of human shields by the Taliban, specifically the usage of children as human shields?
Do you or do you not place moral blame and censure on the part of the Taliban?
Do you, in fact, support the Taliban in anyway? Or Al'Qaeda?
By your words, I'd judge you'd answer yes to the first question, no to the second, and yes on three. If I am mistaken, please enlighten us.
I am equally saddened and disappointed in your lack of comprehension. I am not however surprised, since you appear to only see that which you wish to. I put all terrorists in the same basket, regardless of whether they are state sanctioned or independent. However I don't trust the "news" sources seeing as I have become personally acquainted with the white washing and selective memory of US media.
And the only people I feel sorry for in this mess are the civilians who asked neither for the Taliban to be trained and released in their midst nor the NATO aggression they face on a daily basis.
Buffalo Roam
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Zakariya04, I can justify this by the fact samcdkey and most like her have never totally denounced the acts of Moslem terrorist, who are using direct quotes from Mohammad to justify their actions, they quote the Quran word perfect and then go on their mission with the blessings of the prophet, what am I to feel, samcdkey and her like excuse every action, and the connection that is apparent is that she is Moslem and they are Moslem, all I seem to see from Moslems is excusing of the terrorist because they are believers of the same religion, and who do they all spring from? The word of Mohammad? Zakariaya its time for the Moslems to denounce these people in no uncertain terms, not only are they killing Christians, Hindu, Animist, but also your fellow Moslems, and what does sam do always point to some other to blame, it time to look at the actions of your own religion, what in the religion of Islam causes people in the 21 century to believe that it is ok to kill people over cultural differences, or the fact that you may live in a poor country, or that your come from a poor back ground, it seem the answer from Mohammad is to go out and take it from the infidels as in his opinion they are not the chosen people, so take all your problem out on the Infidel the Jews and other people you don't like, You are my friend but I'm tired of hearing people defend the atrocities of terrorism committed by terrorist by using moral relativism, what the Moslem terrorist have and are doing is not defensible, to kill in a stand up fight is one thing, but to mutilate, and turn the creation of God, into a quivering mass of screaming pain, and then to hack the head off of a human in a way worse than the butchering of a animal, that has to bring up the question of the beliefs of these people, and the prophet they follow.
Sam, I hate to point out the obvious, but what you just said is not really a stance on anything. Certainly if hedging is your intent, you did a fine job. But that really wouldn't make for much of a forum, would it?
Nato agression? What does that mean? 35,000 troops from all over the world, attempting to keep the savages at bay while the rest of the Afghan people struggle to rebuild their country is not agression. Keep in mind, this is a place where the people who were born during war, and have only lived during war, probably outnumber those who are old enough to remember a time before war in their country.
I don't know how much you know of the history of the Taliban, and Afghanistan in general, but from what you've posted in this thread, it's looking like you don't much of anything relevant. That crap you cut and pasted from Rense is garbage, and frankly, I thought sciforums was past that point of using a total hack website for a reference.
In any case, I may have spoken too soon in my earlier post. Just read where the U.S. is committing 3,200 additional troops to Afghanistan. Not sure if that will be enough to deal with the flow of new Taliban over the border from Pakistan, but at least it shows the Pentagon is not totally ignoring the situation.
Nato agression? What does that mean? 35,000 troops from all over the world, attempting to keep the savages at bay while the rest of the Afghan people struggle to rebuild their country is not agression. Keep in mind, this is a place where the people who were born during war, and have only lived during war, probably outnumber those who are old enough to remember a time before war in their country.
I don't know how much you know of the history of the Taliban, and Afghanistan in general, but from what you've posted in this thread, it's looking like you don't much of anything relevant. That crap you cut and pasted from Rense is garbage, and frankly, I thought sciforums was past that point of using a total hack website for a reference.
In any case, I may have spoken too soon in my earlier post. Just read where the U.S. is committing 3,200 additional troops to Afghanistan. Not sure if that will be enough to deal with the flow of new Taliban over the border from Pakistan, but at least it shows the Pentagon is not totally ignoring the situation.
Buffalo Roam
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samcdkey, so you support the methods of the terrorist, and hold no censure of their actions.
Again you avoid answering the question.
Again you avoid answering the question.
Lets see how much you know about this.
What do Unocal, the Taliban and Khalilzad have in common?
Buffalo Roam
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samcdkey, you still haven't answered the original question, and your still changing the subject.
Which terrorists are we talking about? Morales, Avril, the Savak?
Buffalo Roam
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Still using moral relativism to avoid the question, Savak is still in operation only now under the mullahs.
Yeah poor Iranians, they USED to have a democratic government much like the Afghanis.
Moral relativism is a nice word, but the education and advantages of the richest country in the world using foreign policy as an excuse for playing chess using whole countries as pawns has no equal.
Great question. I don't know if Al Qaeda truly wants a unified Islam or not, and stranger yet, I don't recall ever hearing anyone ask that question. From what history has shown, getting Shia and Sunni to ally on anything is rare, outside of that fact that they both agree that Israel should be eradicated.
Jew-hating makes the strangest of bedfellows. Might be about the only irrefutable connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.
Buffalo Roam
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samcdkey, still pointing fingers? going back to the moral relativism argument, now how about addressing the question do you condemn the terrorist for using children as human shields, and their attacks on innocent civilians in the countries of the world? do you denounce them as apostate of the Moslem religion.
I denounce all terrorists who use innocent civilians esp children as human shields/targets.
Now I want to know. Do you?
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