Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Please explain it to me, I'm stupid.
Well then we both are.. problem.
As I said, I'm done.
This is all sidetracking.
The original topic was about reintroducing the natural predators.
Please explain it to me, I'm stupid.
Fine, dodge the question. Moving on..
Why can't you accept that humans are now the natural predators?
Actually Enmos is correct; since we Humans no longer are coping with such hardships, we are losing our resistance and immunity to them. Technology is making us biologically weaker
But why? For what purpose? And how far back do you want the original predators to go? Species have been killing and replacing eachother long before we took the lead.
So you think it's perfectly alright to kill off species just because we can ?
I'm sorry, but that's essentially what you're saying.
No it's not.
If you had an option to live a better life at the expense of something you don't care about, would you do it?
Enmos said:So you think it's perfectly alright to kill off species just because we can ?
I'm sorry, but that's essentially what you're saying.
Enmos said:So you say Ashura doesn't care about life?
To answer the question, no not if I think it's wrong.
I may not care about my neighbor, but that doesn't mean I will kill him if I get better because of it.
That's because you're equating success of the species with "just because we can." The more control over the environment humans have, the more likely it is we can use it to our species' advantage. If that means maintaining certain species levels, fine. If that means destroying certain habitats, fine. Of course I'm speaking in terms of over long periods of time, and there are limits to what we should do, but generally speaking when it comes to the most basic things like replacing older predators so that we can take full advantage of their prey? Yes we should do it, and we don't do it "just because we can."
So you don't see the difference between a person and an animal.
As to caring-
Let's say I care about deer. They're nice. But I also care about my SUV- I need somewhere to park it. If I like my SUV more than deer, then I will be ok with that parking lot that takes out the deers' woods. See how that works? It's called a utility function.
I call that arrogant.
And no, I don't see a whole lot of difference.
As an environmentalist, I value wild places and green places. I also recognize, however, that in order to preserve anything, it must have value. This means, unfortunately, that the environment has to be commoditized. If hunters are willing to set aside wetlands for bird hunting, isn't that better than nothing?
Is this a serious question ?
Humans are omnivores not carnivores. Look at a true predator then look a us, we're not exactly build like one.
Too successful you mean. At times predators have exhausted their food sources and got extinct as a result. We're on that path.
....Do you doubt my statement ? YES, its why I asked what animal Or are you just being argumentative ?
I have no example at hand. However, this might be of interest to you:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/cuius/idle/evolution/malthus/predator.html
Yes, humans can act as predators. It's not a important point in this discussion though.....
....You have a habit of focusing on sidetracks. I could simply say that you are right and it never happened. It wouldn't even matter to the discussion :shrug: ....
....That I can't remember the particular species and can't find any references online does not mean it is not possible.
Are you saying predators cannot hunt their food source into extinction ?
Wha?? Not important? Humans being predators is a main topic in this thread. You have repeatedly said 'natural predator' and I have repeatedly stated that we are a natural predator.
I have a habit of focusing on sidetracks? No, I have a habit of focusing on what you say. I would agree that what you say is a sidetrack. If it doesn't matter to the discussion, why do you throw those things out there?
yes, that's what I'm saying. Wolves hunt the hell out of deer and rabbits. When they do, their food source declines. They in turn decline. When their numbers go down, the deer/rabbit populations increase. When their numbers increase, so do the wolves. I have already been over this with you. There is a natural feast/famine rhythm in nature.
I have an open mind. You show me an animal that hunted itself to extinction, and I will rethink my position. Til then, you're a sad little man lamely sidetracking.