Splinter: Hunting, people, and populations

Enmos said:
Do you value life ?
Do you think it's ok to kill lifeforms for anything other than direct self-defense or immediate need for food ?

I am not saying that killing animals for food is wrong, I'm saying that it has become problematic because of our sheer numbers.
Because of our huge numbers and the huge space we require to sustain our species, nature gets pushed back more and more.
Entire woods get cut down and disappear, taking all the inhabitant lifeforms with it including countless lifeforms still unknown to us.
Human expansion, pollution of air, ground and water and climate change are all acting to destroy nature.
In places where the balance is upset and animals come out into or near human territory, they are identified as threat or annoyance and are killed off to the point that they no longer are a harassment to us. This is 'treating the symptoms', not addressing the underlying cause.
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How is it you managed to bring this into a thread that was about deer hunting?

Do you have any idea what-so-ever about the damage factory farms and slaughter houses to do the environment? They have to tear up the environment to build the dang things. The machinery in the buildings puts out pollution. The freezers are kept cold by ammonia. If you fall into one of their containment ponds, you are put in quarantine due to the high bacteria. Hundreds of people drive in their cars to the factory to work, putting out more pollution.

My family walked into the woods, shot a deer. I dressed it out there leaving the guts for other wildlife. We took it home, butchered it in the barn, froze/canned it. Rabbits were even simpler.

Which one is harsher on the environment? Which one are you helping?
 
Enmos said:
How am I imposing my desire on nature by REintroducing animals they WE killed off (help it along a bit) ?
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To be precise, someone else killed off a certain animal somewhere else; "we" didn't do the killing. ;)
I'm not saying "we should" kill off a species. But the blame game of blaming ALL of humanity for what some other people are doing is kinda bogus.
Put the blame where it belongs.

I read somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong, that 95+% of all species over time existed (and went extinct) BEFORE humanity came on the scene.
Should we build time machines to go back 4,000,000+ years to save them ? :rolleyes:
 
Cazzo said:
To be precise, someone else killed off a certain animal somewhere else; "we" didn't do the killing. ;)
I'm not saying "we should" kill off a species. But the blame game of blaming ALL of humanity for what some other people are doing is kinda bogus.
Put the blame where it belongs.

I read somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong, that 95+% of all species over time existed (and went extinct) BEFORE humanity came on the scene.
Should we build time machines to go back 4,000,000+ years to save them ? :rolleyes:
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Of course not, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying that we should reintroduce the natural predators from elsewhere to where they have been eliminated, so that hunting to keep, for example, deer populations in check isn't necessary.
 
Enmos said:
Don't you think we are hurting ourselves in the long run as well ?
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In the long run we'll all be dead.

Enmos said:
I'm just saying that we should reintroduce the natural predators from elsewhere to where they have been eliminated, so that hunting to keep, for example, deer populations in check isn't necessary.
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Why? What difference does it make if it's us or some other species that keeps the deer in check?
 
ashura said:
That's not an answer.
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Objectively it doesn't make any difference whatsoever of course, but then, objectively, life doesn't have value.

I'm really working with the assumption all of you value and respect life.
Maybe that was a wrong assumption..
 
Enmos said:
I'm really working with the assumption all of you value and respect life.
Maybe that was a wrong assumption..
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It is a wrong assumption. You're applying that value to all life equally. Only a select few actually do that (and even fewer have the conviction to actually live a life that follows that mindset). The rest of us give a higher value to humans.
 
ashura said:
It is a wrong assumption. You're applying that value to all life equally. Only a select few actually do that (and even fewer have the conviction to actually live a life that follows that mindset). The rest of us give a higher value to humans.
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I can see how that is practical in society today, but I really thought more people would value all life equally deep down.
This forum is not society, you can say pretty much say what you want, so I kind of expect people to be honest here.
Why would anyone keep saying human life is more valuable than other life, at least in these circumstances ?
 
Enmos said:
I can see how that is practical in society today, but I really thought more people would value all life equally deep down.
This forum is not society, you can say pretty much say what you want, so I kind of expect people to be honest here.
Why would anyone keep saying human life is more valuable than other life, at least in these circumstances ?
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I am being honest, and you're inability to comprehend that shows how narrow minded you are. I'm sure Roman, Orleander and Norsefire are being honest too. Deep down, I don't value all life equally. I value human life above all else. And my gut instinct tells that most people think that way too.
 
ashura said:
I am being honest, and you're inability to comprehend that shows how narrow minded you are. I'm sure Roman, Orleander and Norsefire are being honest too. Deep down, I don't value all life equally. I value human life above all else. And my gut instinct tells that most people think that way too.
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I am not saying you or anyone in this thread isn't being honest.

I am saying, because I think people will be more honest about certain things on a forum than in real life, that I expected to see more people valuing all life equally here.
Therefore it seemed to me you guys were just arguing instead of indeed feeling that way, which is not the same as lying.
 
Ashura, do you have kids ? If so, do you teach them not to harm small creatures, and not to needlessly damage plants etc ?
 
No, I don't have kids. But if I did, I would still teach them that. Can you guess why?
 
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