Sounds of ghosts from abandoned insane asylum

[Magical Realist]

you have stories people tell about things they have made. Like i just posted, in this article you linked, there are some short clips (none of which happen to be during the many many many times these recordists would have been absolutely silent). I am not saying these things cannot exist, but this evidence wouldn't even hold up in court, much less in a lab. If you played that for a judge, and said, "this is my evidence that my ex-girlfriend is stalking me, this is where she is singing in my bathroom while i was walking in the door", they would not accept it as worth anything.

I don't care what you believe and I'm certainly not going to hunt down all the evidence out there for you because you are too lazy to look into it yourself. You're initial point was only that the existence of the paranormal entailed the existence of God. You have yet to establish why that is necessarily so. At most you have only offered speculative what-ifs along the line of "Since we don't know what paranormal entities are, then they must be angels and demons" or some such BS. But you haven't provided any logic supporting such a conclusion. Still waiting...

i have yet to hear something that sounds convincing at all, and additionally, i could make you a ghost tape in ten minutes at my house. I understand you would like to say all these people wouldn't lie and have no reason to lie, but the guy who faked the famous bigfoot photo didn't really have any reason to lie did he? Anyway, i am not saying these beings, or something they are which fits a different explanation even better, don't exist, but you can't seriously expect someone to give ghosts credit, based on some recordings, unless there are decent recordings, which those clips are not. They are a bunch of noises posted by audio manipulation experts, and these experts would get fired from any job if they recorded anything for their work with talking and walking all over it.

The recordings are what they are. They are typical of evps people capture of voices all over the world in that they are sounds and voices of people who not present at the time of the recording. If you're really serious about exploring evps, type in "best evps" under Youtube and start listening. There you will definitely hear voices clear enough to understand.

there are at least as many stories told by people about the miracles they experienced as there are ghost stories, not that the stories prove anything.

Photos? Video? Audio? Come on..It shouldn't be that hard to photograph God walking down the street.

they are whatever they resemble, if they exist, and for every person who sees a dead relative, there is a another person who saw an angel of death, or or an angelic being of light, instead. Ask mazulu. I sincerely hope you weren't knocking his alleged experience of seeing some spirit being, and then turning around saying these other spirit beings are seen thousands of times. That would just be too much.

As a general rule, I don't take seriously accounts of beings seen from one's bed while paralyzed. This sounds exactly like a paralysis dream, a common experience for many especially after eating too close to bedtime. I once saw my bedroom door closing in a half dreaming state. When I woke up the door was still open. Dreams can do amazing things to the half asleep mind.

first of all it would have to be confirmation to be used as confirmation. Any proof of existence beyond death would be a quantum leap scientifically, and without knowing where these beings go when they aren't still hanging around here, we would definitely have at least a reason to think they MIGHT be moving on to some further resting place. I have yet to see proof of god, or proof of ghosts, or proof of people's philosophical ideology either.

I have yet to hear how the paranormal is proof of God. Perhaps we can get back to that argument now?

 

[Mazulu]

Hello Mazulu :wave: First, [just a point of clarification]--I’m not an atheist, rather I hold an agnostic view. Second…despite what we know about dark matter, why do you feel ‘’spirits’’ or ‘’ghosts’’ would consist of dark matter?

Hi wegs :thumbsup:
Because dark matter exists, but is itself undetectable (as spirits and ghosts tend to be). Dark matter could be a form of matter that swirls as whirlwinds of ethereal spirit energy that can draw off tension in the mind, and absorb entropy and cognitive dissonance out of our minds and into the aethers. It eases suffering by drawing away our negativity; dark energy leaves us feeling healed and renewed.

Regretably, when a cold-hearted, fact clenching atheists comes along and denies the existence of spirit, the healing process doesn't just stop, it jolts to a halt like slamming on the breaks of your car on the highway; it creates a shock to the psychic mind. The shock creates psychic pain, fear, anger and eventually hostility. Over time, hostility builds until open war and violence breaks out. Then, when fact clenching atheists get drawn into the violence they blame religion. Religion is the search for healing through supernatural means. Fact clenching atheists obstruct this natural process of healing. Then when violence breaks out, they act like they didn't cause it.

 

[wegs]

Hi wegs :thumbsup:
Because dark matter exists, but is itself undetectable (as spirits and ghosts tend to be). Dark matter could be a form of matter that swirls as whirlwinds of ethereal spirit energy that can draw off tension in the mind, and absorb entropy and cognitive dissonance out of our minds and into the aethers. It eases suffering by drawing away our negativity; dark energy leaves us feeling healed and renewed.

We can't 'see' dark matter though...maybe that's why we can't see ghosts...but... they're there.

I'm being silly, so you know.

If ghosts exists, I don't think they're dark matter...not sure 'what' they may be, but when I think of dark matter, I think of black holes. I don't see the correlation. But, anyway! lol Thanks for your answer.

 

[Mazulu]

We can't 'see' dark matter though...maybe that's why we can't see ghosts...but... they're there.

I'm being silly, so you know.

If ghosts exists, I don't think they're dark matter...not sure 'what' they may be, but when I think of dark matter, I think of black holes. I don't see the correlation. But, anyway! lol Thanks for your answer.

Hi wegs,
Apparently, dark matter is not made of unidentified black holes, because black holes rip apart nearby stars. That's how they find black holes.

According to consensus among cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.[7][8] The search for this particle, by a variety of means, is one of the major efforts in particle physics today

My interpretation is that lifeforms made of dark matter may be able to manipulate standard model matter in order to make their presense known. Of course such interventions are rare and are not repeatable in the laboratory because human beings can be so evil and destructive, that revealing there existence is a security risk to them.

 

[Balerion]

Hi wegs :thumbsup:
Because dark matter exists, but is itself undetectable (as spirits and ghosts tend to be). Dark matter could be a form of matter that swirls as whirlwinds of ethereal spirit energy that can draw off tension in the mind, and absorb entropy and cognitive dissonance out of our minds and into the aethers. It eases suffering by drawing away our negativity; dark energy leaves us feeling healed and renewed.

Your own cockamamie theory doesn't hold water, since believers in paranormal religions seem to think ghosts and spirits are very much detectable. See that smudge on this old photograph? Ghost. Hear that vague noise on this audio recording? Ghost.

 

[wegs]

Mazulu- Here's something...dark matter is thought to not emit or absorb light so...IF ghosts exist, they aren't made of dark matter because they wouldn't appear in photographs ...for example, as "orbs," etc...or as "lit up" figures.

Safe bet dark matter is just well, dark matter.

 

[Mazulu]

Your own cockamamie theory doesn't hold water, since believers in paranormal religions seem to think ghosts and spirits are very much detectable. See that smudge on this old photograph? Ghost. Hear that vague noise on this audio recording? Ghost.

There you go again with the insults and the hatred. I got warned for telling you that you had a cold heart. But honestly, it's not fair that honorable and polite atheists should be called scum.

 

[Balerion]

There you go again with the insults and the hatred. I got warned for telling you that you had a cold heart.

You need to look up the definition of insult. That your theory is cockamamie is about the best thing to be said about it.

But honestly, it's not fair that honorable and polite atheists should be called scum.

But it is fair to call me scum? Just come out and say it.

 

[Mazulu]

Mazulu- Here's something...dark matter is thought to not emit or absorb light so...IF ghosts exist, they aren't made of dark matter because they wouldn't appear in photographs ...for example, as "orbs," etc...or as "lit up" figures.

Safe bet dark matter is just well, dark matter.

OK, I could argue that spirits and ghosts are made of dark matter and are undetectable. But that they know how, or a few know how to give off light and reveal their appearance.

 

[Mazulu]

You need to look up the definition of insult. That your theory is cockamamie is about the best thing to be said about it.

cock·a·ma·mie
/ˈkäkəˌmāmē,ˌkäkəˈmāmē/
adjective
informaladjective: cockamamie; adjective: cockamamy1. ridiculous; implausible.
"a cockamamie theory"

So my theory that dark matter could behave in some way similar to chemistry is cockamamy? Why?

 

[Magical Realist]

Stephen Hawking has some things to say about the possible existence of other "branes" or dimensions and shadow people represented in our spacetime as dark matter. There's debate on exactly what these shadow beings are. Some think they are just a different form the ghosts take. In any case they are quite a common experience in paranormal investigations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoUnFaB-FoM&list=PLEB7972E735FB6177

http://www.shadowpeople.org/

Shadow people accounts at Coast Guard Rescue Station:

http://home.comcast.net/~shadowpeopleorg/archives/shadow/coastguard.html

 

[Mazulu]

Stephen Hawking has some things to say about the possible existence of other "branes" or dimensions and shadow people represented in our spacetime as dark matter. There's debate on exactly what these shadow beings are. Some think they are just a different form the ghosts take. In any case they are quite a common experience in paranormal investigations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoUnFaB-FoM&list=PLEB7972E735FB6177

http://www.shadowpeople.org/

I'll have to listen to them.

 

[Balerion]

cock·a·ma·mie
/ˈkäkəˌmāmē,ˌkäkəˈmāmē/
adjective
informaladjective: cockamamie; adjective: cockamamy1. ridiculous; implausible.
"a cockamamie theory"

No, I said look up the definition of insult. I did not insult you.

So my theory that dark matter could behave in some way similar to chemistry is cockamamy? Why?

That's not what your "theory" is. Your theory is that dark matter = ghosts because ghosts are also undetectable. But according to believers in the ghost religion such as MR, ghosts are very much detectable. Except by the human eye, even though it's a much higher resolution than any camera. Your follow up--that they know how to give off light--contradicts your earlier statement that they are undetectable, and corrupts the very basis of your thesis.

Now back to the question you're ducking:

Do you think it's fair to call me scum?

 

[Balerion]

Stephen Hawking has some things to say about the possible existence of other "branes" or dimensions and shadow people represented in our spacetime as dark matter. There's debate on exactly what these shadow beings are. Some think they are just a different form the ghosts take. In any case they are quite a common experience in paranormal investigations.

Dishonest. Stephen Hawking is not debating the existence or nature of shadow beings. He's saying that dark matter could be representative of extra dimensions in which other objects--including living beings--exist. He isn't saying you're going to find a shadow being walking in your living room. You wouldn't be able to see it.

 

[Balerion]

I'll have to listen to them.

You wouldn't be interested. It has nothing to do with the afterlife.

 

[Mazulu]

No, I said look up the definition of insult. I did not insult you.



That's not what your "theory" is. Your theory is that dark matter = ghosts because ghosts are also undetectable. But according to believers in the ghost religion such as MR, ghosts are very much detectable. Except by the human eye, even though it's a much higher resolution than any camera. Your follow up--that they know how to give off light--contradicts your earlier statement that they are undetectable, and corrupts the very basis of your thesis.

Now back to the question you're ducking:

Do you think it's fair to call me scum?

Most ghosts might not know how to be detectable to humans. Maybe it takes effort or ability. Maybe only a few spirits have that ability. I guess my theory would be that dark matter can have a chemistry of its own. Over the course of a few billion years, anything with chemistry might be able to evolve life (based on that kind of chemistry).

OK, if you didn't insult me, then it's not fair for me to insult you (which I didn't, at least not directly). Let's try to be civil in our inevitable disagreement. Basically that you and the other atheists are misguided. But that's ok, we're all learning.

 

[wegs]

Mazulu: putting it simply...IF WE CAN SEE IT, it cannot be dark matter. If you can detect it, it can't be dark matter. Could be something else, but not your theory, I'm afraid ...

You can't change science to accomodate your ghost theory.

 

[Magical Realist]

He isn't saying you're going to find a shadow being walking in your living room. You wouldn't be able to see it.

Noone "sees" a shadow person. They see the opaque silouette of a darkness blacker than the darkness. They also have mass. So obviously they can interact with things in our own brane.

 

[wegs]

Most ghosts might not know how to be detectable to humans. Maybe it takes effort or ability. Maybe only a few spirits have that ability. I guess my theory would be that dark matter can have a chemistry of its own. Over the course of a few billion years, anything with chemistry might be able to evolve life (based on that kind of chemistry).

OK, if you didn't insult me, then it's not fair for me to insult you (which I didn't, at least not directly). Let's try to be civil in our inevitable disagreement. Basically that you and the other atheists are misguided. But that's ok, we're all learning.

Dark matter is not detectable. You give ghosts a lot of credit. Lol

 

[Balerion]

Most ghosts might not know how to be detectable to humans. Maybe it takes effort or ability. Maybe only a few spirits have that ability. I guess my theory would be that dark matter can have a chemistry of its own. Over the course of a few billion years, anything with chemistry might be able to evolve life (based on that kind of chemistry).

Maybe you're just talking out of your ass.

OK, if you didn't insult me, then it's not fair for me to insult you (which I didn't, at least not directly). Let's try to be civil in our inevitable disagreement. Basically that you and the other atheists are misguided. But that's ok, we're all learning.

You just called me scum. I have no reason to be civil to you.