If you took her literally. What she was saying was, basically, why don't you take responsibility?
Yes, they do. So?????
I have no idea why you are using that name for God. But a rose by any other name.......
Somone who knows God.!!!
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I dont have a relatonship wit "God"... an if yoou'r corect that im suposed to go to hell because of that... so be it :shrug:
Do you beleive the Holey Bible was inspired by God.???
If I'm correct? I can't remember asserting it or even believing it.
Don't know if that was another spelling error or politics.....
Possibly parts of it were. I would guess that some of the actual people in some of the stories were inspired by God, but not infallibly. Let alone any infallibility of the writers.
oK... are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
are those the only options you can come up with? Also question the use of the word 'try'. Do you try to believe certain things? Are you successful?
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
oK... are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
If nether apply... then what does.???
If i do i posibly dont try hard enuff cause i dont have "beleifs"... do you have beleifs.???
oK... are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
If nether apply... then what does.???
If i do i posibly dont try hard enuff cause i dont have "beleifs"... do you have beleifs.???
I am not simply going to help you here. You are going to have to work. Let's look at that question: first you are contrasting being part of an organized religion with 'just picking and choosing'. Does this mean I am not picking and choosing if I am a part of an organized religion?
Are you member of the Democrats or the Republicans, or do you just pick and choose what to believe?
Are you a believer in punctuated equilibria in evolution or the more traditions small steps evolutionary change
or
do you just pick and choose?
I am going to try to get you to look at your assumptions. May be irritating. Sort of a cerebellum tease.
Are you asserting that you do not have beliefs?
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
oK... are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
I dont thank so Lucy... if you dont want to answer fine wit me.!!!
I dont have beleifs... but thers evidence for punctuated an small steps.!!!
See above
oK... are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
I dont thank so Lucy... if you dont want to answer fine wit me.!!!
I dont have beleifs... but thers evidence for punctuated an small steps.!!!
See above
And it's fine with me if you believe in your False Dilemma.
So you don't have a belief there is more evidence for punctuated equilibria?See above
And you don't have any beliefs about theists either?
clueless, the definition of hell is a state of existence that is void of god and the influence of the holy spirit. so if you don't want a relationship with god, and don't have one, then you are choosing this condition for yourself. it's a choice. you either want god in your life or you don't. if you don't...if you reject god and his influence, then you are choosing that. it's not some place that you're put in against your will as some punishment.
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
...are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
Corect... im not superstitious an i dont have "beleifs"... what i thank is based on probibilites... i have no need to delude myself wit unfounded beleif based on fear or desire.!!!
Do you have any beleif that you'r certan is corect.???
...are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
Not my delemma... its you who has a issue wit answrin the queston.!!!
Corect... im not superstitious an i dont have "beleifs"... what i thank is based on probibilites... i have no need to delude myself wit unfounded beleif based on fear or desire.!!!
Do you have any beleif that you'r certan is corect.???
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
I dont have a relatonship wit "God"... an if yoou'r corect that im suposed to go to hell because of that... so be it
Do you want the true God (the little pink elephant in my pocket) in you'r life... the only God who can give you eternal happyness insted of eternal hell... an if you reject this true God... why woud you do so an choose hell insted.???
I dont have a relatonship wit "God"... an if yoou'r corect that im suposed to go to hell because of that... so be it
Do you want the true God (the little pink elephant in my pocket) in you'r life... the only God who can give you eternal happyness insted of eternal hell... an if you reject this true God... why woud you do so an choose hell insted.???
you know clueless...i'm not questioning you, and i'm not judging you, so why are you doing it to me? i'm very comfortable with the relationship i have with god and why i have it and what it means to me, and like i said, i'm not codependent about my beliefs. if you don't want the same things i want, and you don't believe the same things i believe, that's fine with me. why isn't it fine with you?
Of oourse it is your false dilemma. You presented two options for me to choose from as if these exhausted the possibilities. If you don't know what a false dilemma is, let me know.
In pretty much anyone's usage of the word 'belief' one must have a belief to make an assertion. You are making assertions, so therefore you have beliefs. If you want to somehow quibble that you don't believe in any specific facts, it is very clear you have beliefs about how one goes about getting knowledge: iow epistemological beliefs.
Are you really going to continue assert that you have no beliefs?
It would be false in all cases to say
cluelesshusband believes _________________.
Yes. Here's one. I am 100% certain that you either have beliefs or are lying/mistaken about yourself.
EDIT. I took out the question mark and replaced it with a period. See post below and my response.
Here's another belief I am sure of:
cluelesshusband believes that theists are irrational in their belief in God.
I will be quite happy if he contradicts me and says he does not belief this.
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You're certain, but put a question mark at the end of that sentance. That indicates uncertainty.
Thanks for the heads up.
No, I typoed. I was thinking as I typed this 'You can see how ridiculous this is can't you?'
and I often catch myself adding in the ? incorrectly because, in a sense, my posts are really questions. Don't you agree is my vibe.
Do you believe cluelesshusband has no beliefs?
Have you ever met anyone who has no beliefs?
Can one make assertions about 'the way things are' as he has done and not have beliefs?
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[Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
oK... are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
I havent studyed "false-delimma" (among many other thangs) but i reckenize you'r red-herrin in atempt to avoid the issue.!!!
I wanted to know how you cam by the beleifs you have... an i ask you a queston that contaned 2 posibilities which i suggested:::
"are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???"
In no way did i say you mus choose 1 or the other... an when you dodged the issue i follered my queston up wit:::
"If nether apply... then what does.???"
I suspect you will still refuse to answr :shrug:
Unlike you... im not certan about anythang...
You'r the 1 wantin to quibble... a thang ether apears to be a fact or it dont... an which ever it apears to be to me... depends on the evidence presented... not som beleif based on superstiton or desire... ect.!!!
See above.!!!
Im not superstitious an i dont have "beleifs"... what i thank is based on probibilites... i have no need to delude myself wit unfounded beleif based on fear or desire.!!!
Do you have any beleif that you'r certan is corect.???
It apears to me that people who beleive that thangs are ether true or false wit-out verifiable evidence are irrational... an people who are certan about those beleifs are delusional... but sinse im not certan about anythang i coud be rong.!!!
oK... are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???
I havent studyed "false-delimma" (among many other thangs) but i reckenize you'r red-herrin in atempt to avoid the issue.!!!
I wanted to know how you cam by the beleifs you have... an i ask you a queston that contaned 2 posibilities which i suggested:::
"are you part of a orginazed religon or do you jus pick an choose what you want to try an beleive.???"
In no way did i say you mus choose 1 or the other... an when you dodged the issue i follered my queston up wit:::
"If nether apply... then what does.???"
I suspect you will still refuse to answr :shrug:
Unlike you... im not certan about anythang...
You'r the 1 wantin to quibble... a thang ether apears to be a fact or it dont... an which ever it apears to be to me... depends on the evidence presented... not som beleif based on superstiton or desire... ect.!!!
See above.!!!
Im not superstitious an i dont have "beleifs"... what i thank is based on probibilites... i have no need to delude myself wit unfounded beleif based on fear or desire.!!!
Do you have any beleif that you'r certan is corect.???
It apears to me that people who beleive that thangs are ether true or false wit-out verifiable evidence are irrational... an people who are certan about those beleifs are delusional... but sinse im not certan about anythang i coud be rong.!!!
In a way it is a compliment that I am not responding. You seem fairly intelligent. I think you either know or can easily figure out why the question was problematic. The reasons why you would present a false dilemma are important. As the other poster seemed to be reacting to, there is something condescending about your approach. It is not as if you are simply asking questions, innocently and curiously. That approach would get different answers at least from me.
I do answer, essentially, the question you are asking there, in other contexts, with atheists.
Yup.
ARe you sure about that? If you are not, why did you say it like that?
Beliefs are not simply based on superstition or desire. You seem to be using the word in very odd ways. I am an English teacher and I can assure that superstitious beliefs are a subset of beliefs.
You believe that you think is based on probabilities. You are sure this is correct despite overwhelming evidence out there that people tend to overestimate how well they know there own cognitive processes. You continue to state beliefs while asserting you do not have them.
Yup, you have beliefs. Using 'think' as a verb does not change this.
Are you certain that you could be wrong?
You are staking out swampland, but I'll keep pointing this out for a while until it gets boring.
And by the way, where did you get the idea that if someone says they believe they are certain. The sentence I believe this but I am not 100% sure makes perfect sense in English.
Is English a second language for you?