Some atheists are just like religious fundamentalists

The use "preachy" is yet another word failure by Kellisness, again only betraying what Theists do in their straight out proclamations. Atheists provide actual information.

Theists unethically pronounce invisibles as theory, even fact, but all they are are notions. That is preaching, and it is dishonest, and they must do so so that the listeners will stay.

Nor can any Being be fundamental and first, anyway. They again halted at a 'word'.
 
Kellisness said:
It's true. They have a dogma, and they always want to "win", either by converting theists to their dogma, or by ridiculing them if they won't comply. The call it "debating" but really it's preaching. You can spot them a mile off.
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Everybody is different. Wrapping stuff up in nice neat bows isn't going to enlighten anyone?
 
Kellisness said:
It's true. They have a dogma, and they always want to "win", either by converting theists to their dogma, or by ridiculing them if they won't comply. The call it "debating" but really it's preaching. You can spot them a mile off.
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Of course, one could always fall back on hypocrisy...
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[Personal opinion expressed]
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Ignorant bigot.
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Kellishness doesn't debate or discuss, as has been shown in several threads, but can only make false generalizations and emotionalizations in lieu of having no specifics to counter with.

Anyone can see through this ploy, spotting it a mile off.
 
It's funny how when the words "preachy", "zealot" and "fundamentalist" crop up, so do dywydyr and sciwriter. Right on cue, too.
 
Kellisness said:
It's funny how when the words "preachy", "zealot" and "fundamentalist" crop up, so do dywydyr and sciwriter. Right on cue, too.
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You mean because I directly quoted you? I used YOUR words and that somehow means something about me?
Yes, strange that... :rolleyes:
 
Kellisness said:
...You make it all sound as though there's some kind of battle going on. There isn't, not if you don't want there to be.
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There is a battle going on, and Christians are waging it. If we don't fight, we all lose. We lose the separation between church and state, and women lose the right to choice, to name two obvious front lines.

Kellisness said:
...Seeing it in terms of a battle is the first sign of missing the point entirely. There really is nothing at stake, except pride for those who see it that way.
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You cannot be more wrong. This is vitally important.


I love this paragraph of yours :


"My own theory is that many of these louder and more militant atheists are former fundamentalists who subsequently lost their faith. That sense of loss and oftentimes a sense of betrayal are what fuel their passion and sometimes their anger. And perhaps more often than they are aware, their thinking about religion still follows the old familiar channels of their youth."

Very well put. They've left the religion, but the fundamentalism is still a part of their character. And it's amazing just how oblivious they are to that. They honestly don't see it. If we were to take a religious zealot and turn them into an atheist, because of their zealous character, you'd only notice the difference because the lingo would change. These militant atheists and religious fundies are not opposites, they are opposames. Moderate people, that means atheists and theists who have their views but don't feel any compulsion to convert the world are in the middle of the spectrum, while atheist zealots and religious zealots are on the extreme yet they are the same.

And you can usually tell a zealot a mile off because when this is pointed out, it is they who respond angrily.
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I know of only one former Christian who is now an atheist who might fit this description. But so what? All you are saying is that they once felt strongly about one thing, and now feel strongly about another. Wanting to influence the world is not inherently extreme. Democrats and Republicans do it on a daily basis.
 
The illuminati of today are not those of the past, for they have mutated, some even picking up on notions that others falsely ascribed to them. Back then they were but scientists. The church and its scripture is basically immutable, still according to the myths of old; that is, the idea of Jehovah told wiped out the numerous Gods of old and became the new—the one and only, too.

Religion may not be burning scientists at the stake anymore, but if one thinks they’ve released their reign over science, one must ask why half the schools in the U.S. Are not allowed to teach evolution, why the U.S. Christian coalition is the most influential lobby against scientific progress in the world…

As for the illuminati of old, the obliteration of Catholicism was their central covenant. The brotherhood held that the superstitious dogma spewed forth by the church was mankind’s greatest enemy. They feared that if religion continued to promote pious myth as absolute fact, scientific progress would halt, and mankind would be doomed to an ignorant future of senseless holy wars. And, I might add to the above, much like we see today.

So, Bush killed stem cell research and went to war against Iraq after consulting with a ‘Higher Father’; holy wars now being everywhere, as ever, since how could the other religions be so wrong!

Those trying to hold a monopoly on truth cannot help but to label the contrary as evil, and, thus, act accordingly. So, we do have to worry, still, when the church wants to be the sole interpreter of the ‘truth’.
 
Spidergoat, read what you've written. You've just said :

There's a battle going on
[the other side] are waging it
If we don't fight, we lose [and they win]
Front lines
Influencing the world

You sound ridiculous, it's like listening to Hitler. It's laughable, get over it, otherwise you'll spend the rest of your life being stressed. Most people don't give a flying fuck what views others have, they just get on with their own lives, and they don't see diversity as a battle or the world as a battleground. If a minority want to do battle with each other, good, let them kill each other. They have the choice of walking away and doing their own thing, as does everyone. You need to take a chill pill. And just so you know, I'm not religious. You are more religious than I'll ever be and you don't see it.
 
The Christians are working every day to put creationism in our textbooks, erode the rights of women, and bend over for the corporate elite to pollute and wage class warfare on the poor and middle class. You can bury your head in the sand, but I will live in the reality-based world, thanks anyway.
 
I'm sure when the Allies started to attack Germany, Kellisness was like, "look at those Americans bombing stuff and killing people, they are no different from Nazis!".
 
spidergoat said:
The Christians are working every day to put creationism in our textbooks, erode the rights of women, and bend over for the corporate elite to pollute and wage class warfare on the poor and middle class. You can bury your head in the sand, but I will live in the reality-based world, thanks anyway.
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Spoken like a true militant. Yeah, you go, little soldier! Don't forget to ask mummy to pack you off with a nice packed lunch for the great battle, and let me know how it goes.
 
And still no rational response.
Still a failure to add anything substantial.

What was it the OP said about resorting to ridicule?
 
Kellisness said:
Spoken like a true militant. Yeah, you go, little soldier! Don't forget to ask mummy to pack you off with a nice packed lunch for the great battle, and let me know how it goes.
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Are you trying to make people angry so they fit your stereotype? I just think theism doesn't fit observed facts, call me crazy. I think the founding fathers were right in forming a secular nation, I think science is the best method yet discovered for finding out objective facts about the universe, and I think superstition has been responsible for some of the worst atrocities of mankind. Should I show you the video of people getting burned alive in Africa recently for witchcraft? And it wasn't any great bonfire, either, they started with a few sticks and shrubs. One man was fully conscious and forced to sit there while his legs were being slowly consumed by the intermittent flames. This is our future if we don't stand up for reason.
 
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