Sociopaths

I didn't want to be called a sociopath remember. It was not my call. I don't know what I am supposed to be.

Well...we've noted the poor impulse control...risk-taking behavior, bad temper, irritability, moody, incredibly hard to live with...Heck I just thought you were really bipolar, psychotic features. All that stuff, including setting stepdad's house on fire, just part of the bipolar goodies.
You know, some people have nice, polite bipolarity and depressive disorders. Some are flaming cases. YMMV.
Maybe with some sociopathic tendencies tossed in, but not primary.

ANYWAY,

Now there is a lot of research in those who wind up in the corporate structure or in divorce and custody cases.

Hmm, how do they get consent in those? I guess the narcissists would love the attention, but I would guess a lot of the other PD's would deny permission...
 
Hmm, how do they get consent in those? I guess the narcissists would love the attention, but I would guess a lot of the other PD's would deny permission...

They don't. It happens covertly and at the behest of stock holders or other's in charge of the company. They bring in psychologists and other experts to weed them out if there are concerns over some strange irregularities in a corporation. Sociopathy/psychopathy is essentially destructive to the entity as a whole, a great example of this is what happened to Barings bank in the UK. They were England's oldest and most stable bank and it was destroyed by ONE employee who engaged in strange practices socially and financially which lead to the bank being sold to ING for 1 pound in 1995. Its not really true that a corporation benefits from sociopathic behaviour.
 
When I was a boy, I did exactly that. Often swinging on a birch 'till I could grab the next one and so-on. In fact, I broke my first bone, my arm, in 1976 falling out of a lime tree! My mother didn't believe me and when the vet came the next day to see a donkey, I had him look at my arm. I ended up in horsepital!
Took a while for you to find me , I was hiding in the lime tree , Poked a hole an watched it drain out
 
Best wishes to all those affected in NZ. Couldn't have happened at a worse time of day. An aftershock such as this is gonna have aftershocks of its own, this has been just one in a series over the last year or so. With luck, the majority of the pressure has been released now, but we can't assume anything. Hope you guys have got the people you need to sort out the rescue, I know we in the UK are sending fire and rescue teams to the area.

He's a phoney sociopath. Didn't even laugh at the wheelchair lady dragged by a truck.
 
I must say, for a so-called sociopath, I'm probably more sociable than most. That could be down to the olanzapine. There are solid reasons as to how this evolved, I wasn't born like it as far as I know. My uncle was a paedophile, and no-one believed me. I don't know how many times he molested me and tried to rape me over the seven years between age 7 - 14. He lives in hiding now, but I've found out where. The only problem is I made public threats to him so if I did anything I'd soon be caught. I've done enough time on account of him already.
 
OK then, didn't mean any offense. Perhaps you are just angry at some people, not society in general.
 
None taken Spidey. No problem. But if you look at the side effects of my olanzapine, you'll see it's not something i'd choose to have to take. http://www.zyprexa.com/ Especially the fact it can kill me. This is why I get so annoyed with people like Birch, who read a book and think they know it all. I've actually been practising a lot of restraint, and tried to stay within the spirit of the forum here. I really value being able to communicate like this.
 
None taken Spidey. No problem. But if you look at the side effects of my olanzapine, you'll see it's not something i'd choose to have to take. http://www.zyprexa.com/ Especially the fact it can kill me. This is why I get so annoyed with people like Birch, who read a book and think they know it all. I've actually been practising a lot of restraint, and tried to stay within the spirit of the forum here. I really value being able to communicate like this.
I value what you say a lot. I can tell you what caused my feelings of separation from humanity, and also caused my megalomania I suffer from . It was before I could talk. My father beat Me until I stopped crying. After that I could not be touched with out anxiety setting in. I have over come it some what and tolerate it , but it still is not something I want to do for to long of a period. So it left me with the feeling of not being loved. Now and for a long time I have an obsession to be loved by every one . It is difficult for if you look at my profile I have no friends and some people on this forum call Me stupid and that don't help. It exacerbates my Megalomania tendencies of wanting to be loved.
 
The problem I have is less about people, but the authorities. I do not recognise authority which is probably why I got banned from my last forum for argueing with the mods there. This puts me outside the law quite often, and when I get locked up I take it very personally. I once planned to load a costal sand-barge with 400 tons of fertilizer, and sail it up the thames. I want(ed) to blow it up next to the houses of Parliament. It turns out it would cost too much, so I took to blowing up cars instead. Usually in a public place. And I never went back to the scene either.
My anger with authority stems back, again to my uncle who, in the absence of a father figure, was the main authority figure in my life. He was head of science at a large public school and commanded a lot of respect. He was also a big, drunken scary person. He asked me to kill him when he realized the game was up, but I discovered this was because he was so afraid of prison. So, I sent him there instead. He'd probably still be there, only there are things he did I will never talk about, so in the end he got out and hid. It's no good trying to hide from me, I'm a hunter.
 
It's extraordinarily unlikely that zyprexa will kill you. It will screw your metabolism up, though, causing you to gain weight and type II diabetes over time.

Try risperdal. It's a little better in that respect.
 
The problem I have is less about people, but the authorities.

PTSD symptom?

I've got that one...I just practice authority avoidance...but I tend to have a verbally explosive temper that's caused my wife to demand change...

My wife yells at the computer and I get frightened. Involuntarily. Fully knowing she's just mad at the computer (she's a programmer-this happens often).
That, the fun of conflicted/disorganized adult attachments, various anxiety problems, dissociative leftovers-but mostly now "hypervigilance..."

I don't think I'm too vigilant, frankly...I think everyone ought to want to face the exit of any public space they are in and know where cover from weapons fire is...what things that can be weapons are within arm's reach...And the reason I haven't gotten a concealed-carry permit is my temper(depression not a disqualifier in my state). My temper's under way better control these days...

Here's a PTSD inventory for you:
http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/addiction/trauma-policy/lsac-adult-form.pdf?ga=t

I had an awful childhood, but I feel like I've processed the vast bulk of it...I want to deal with the remaining problems directly, and move on.

Yeah, zyprexa has a really ungood side-effect of pancreatic damage and diabetes. Not to mention weight gain.
OTOH, if there's nothing less toxic that will keep your brain from going haywire...

Is there a personality inventory for sociopathy in use in the EU?

I know in the states we use this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

In fact, when I've gone to apply for jobs they've used a cruder version of it on me than when I was run through a battery of tests at 16.

The one for jobs is fudgeable, methinks; I know what they're looking for...I do a good honest job and don't want my employer looking me in the brain wrinkles.

Editing yet again: Metformin has been used to help mitigate zyprexa metabolic damage: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/712434
 
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Well...we've noted the poor impulse control...risk-taking behavior, bad temper, irritability, moody, incredibly hard to live with...Heck I just thought you were really bipolar, psychotic features. All that stuff, including setting stepdad's house on fire, just part of the bipolar goodies.
You know, some people have nice, polite bipolarity and depressive disorders. Some are flaming cases. YMMV.
Maybe with some sociopathic tendencies tossed in, but not primary.

ANYWAY,



Hmm, how do they get consent in those? I guess the narcissists would love the attention, but I would guess a lot of the other PD's would deny permission...

dude you would be surprised. Just because the crack down is now and ((( I have my doubts it is total control))) My very own step Daughter was put into the care of her child molesting father. Can you believe that! Don't get my panties in a bunch and I am going to walk away from that story . F---------- A holes in charge of the world . That ain't nothing compared to horrors that go on . You all read the paper stay up on things. Well those things are real people with real issues
 
The problem I have is less about people, but the authorities. I do not recognise authority which is probably why I got banned from my last forum for argueing with the mods there. This puts me outside the law quite often, and when I get locked up I take it very personally. I once planned to load a costal sand-barge with 400 tons of fertilizer, and sail it up the thames. I want(ed) to blow it up next to the houses of Parliament. It turns out it would cost too much, so I took to blowing up cars instead. Usually in a public place. And I never went back to the scene either.
My anger with authority stems back, again to my uncle who, in the absence of a father figure, was the main authority figure in my life. He was head of science at a large public school and commanded a lot of respect. He was also a big, drunken scary person. He asked me to kill him when he realized the game was up, but I discovered this was because he was so afraid of prison. So, I sent him there instead. He'd probably still be there, only there are things he did I will never talk about, so in the end he got out and hid. It's no good trying to hide from me, I'm a hunter.

You sound like my cousin Ridgely who was involved in a pirate escapade during the civil war. They were going to rob the gold shipment in San Fransisco bay . Take it to the south and Wa La victory. The friggen Captain got drunk and over slept and while the crew was waiting including Old Cousin Ridgley got caught and the plan was foiled. That dude was always getting in trouble . He escaped from some prison in New York Harbor later on and as he was swimming away he laid on his back with a pint of whiskey and said heres to ya . yeah colorful person
 
I was actually specifically addressing ULTRA...the impulse-control stuff I sorta inferred from the motorcycling injury history(although that might be explained too through crappy road conditions) and, well, setting someone's house on fire you might do if you were really justifiably mad and...had an impulse-control problem.
Because ULTRA does not seem to be intensely sociopathic from this remove...although some doc might *think* that...

I mean, just because someone thoroughly earned what you did to them doesn't mean those actions don't have consequences for you. But impulsive people don't think about that. And, well, I'm darkly snickering at ULTRA's uncle having to live in hiding, really...couldn't happen to a more-deserving fellow...:D

Also, read my last post.

I am familiar with having to restrain impulses that would get me locked up if acted upon and do understand such.

And, yeah, a lot of times the sociopaths run things...manipulation being good for being put in charge.
 
I was actually specifically addressing ULTRA...the impulse-control stuff I sorta inferred from the motorcycling injury history(although that might be explained too through crappy road conditions) and, well, setting someone's house on fire you might do if you were really justifiably mad and...had an impulse-control problem.
Because ULTRA does not seem to be intensely sociopathic from this remove...although some doc might *think* that...

I mean, just because someone thoroughly earned what you did to them doesn't mean those actions don't have consequences for you. But impulsive people don't think about that. And, well, I'm darkly snickering at ULTRA's uncle having to live in hiding, really...couldn't happen to a more-deserving fellow...:D

Also, read my last post.

I am familiar with having to restrain impulses that would get me locked up if acted upon and do understand such.

And, yeah, a lot of times the sociopaths run things...manipulation being good for being put in charge.

Impulse control is key. It has kept me alive . When I lived on the street in Santa Monica California life was dangerous and if you didn't keep your self in check , Well does the word Shank Mean anything to you. Yeah self control ,suppress the impulse. That is good
 
dude you would be surprised. Just because the crack down is now and ((( I have my doubts it is total control))) My very own step Daughter was put into the care of her child molesting father. Can you believe that! Don't get my panties in a bunch and I am going to walk away from that story . F---------- A holes in charge of the world . That ain't nothing compared to horrors that go on . You all read the paper stay up on things. Well those things are real people with real issues

You still haven't said whether or not you were diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder by a professional. :rolleyes:

It's beginning to sound like you just read the criteria off the internet and think it applies to you.
 
Hi folks. Home again. Thanks for your observations and comments..

For the record, I'm diagnosed sociopathic, clinical depression (taking venlafaxine for that) and PTSD.

It's hard to know which condition is going to be predominant on any one day. Recently I've been less psychotic and more depressed. My anxiety levels have been all over the place, and I keep getting thoughts of suicide 'though I don't have an active plan. The attempts I've survived have been due to outside intervention and sheer luck. I have caused a fair bit of damage to myself and my friends over the years.

Thanx Chimpkin for your posts. I'll look into the damage mitigation medication, it's something I'd be interested in...I didn't know it was available.

The good news is that today I started treatment for my morphia addiction. Maybe when my head is straighter and finances improve I'll be feeling less stressed. My recent motorcycle accidents were all the more painful as I was virtually immune to the morphine. I didn't like using street heroin 'cos you never know how strong it is or what's been put in it. My most recent accident is probably because it had rohipnol in it. Didn't find out 'till after, though it still took me 2 days before I bothered to go to horsepital...
That old feeling of 'I don't matter' combined with a general dislike of horsepitals (being sectioned will do that..) made me a bit reluctant. Turns out I'd broken my second and third metatarsal bases, first and big toe, Lateral cuniform (so broken the surgeon never bothered to count all the fractures) whatever that is, and a rib (again). After I snapped my right arm in half (literally) it's been hard and painful to ride again, but having an anxiety attack whilst riding was the cause of that. Hit water too hard too fast and collided with a car. Hence the morphine...
 
all i know is that the existence of sociopaths proves the universe is evil imo.

it's one thing to read about sociopaths, but it's another thing to actually have been a victim or worse have had sociopaths have control and power over you from a young age or even from infancy. that is the worst hell and it happens. i would have rather never existed or been born if i could change the past, nothing is worth that constant trauma and torture. they literally try to make your life hell every moment of your life and every single day with very few breaks. whatever angst they feel whether it be from their job, relationships, personal ego, or even petty issues they will use you to take it out on. the key reason and what makes sociopaths really evil is that they really are very and deeply intrusive in the psyche and person of their victim. this is the key reason why they are so dangerous and so destructive. this can be ignited from just general dislike or even petty jealousy. they are really like parasites but what is so frightening is how the sociopath learns and is fascinated in knowing their victim even more closely than people who love you. this is because when someone actually loves and cares for you, they respect some level of your privacy as well as your 'space'. as twisted as it is, sociopaths have no respect for other's boundaries and can literally become like a personal demon in your life if they set their sights on you, knowing you more deeply than anyone else but for the worst reasons imaginable or unimaginable. sociopaths want to know your dreams, your values, your most intimate and subtle feelings, habits, wishes etc so they can destroy you from the inside out. this devious desire is coming from the most nastiest spirit possible to want to pervert, obstruct, damage or destroy systematically and continuously to augment their own feelings of inadequacy. and even if those issues or those petty reasons didn't exist within them, then they would just use you in general if they could. for intance, a sociopath may be trying to destroy you because of their own personal feelings but while they are at it, they could be using you sexually or beating you up or getting you to be their slave in some way or whatever they can use you for. they want to get into your "soul" and control like a rapist just like your life belongs to them to use, steal or destroy at their whim. they are the worst cowards and deviants. you just wouldn't think anyone would go to such lengths to destroy another person or have that type of deep and dark hatred. this is their way to make up for their own failures by getting satisfaction in destroying or sabotaging someone else they see as being the 'opposite' or different. contrary to popular belief, sociopaths also are choosy in their victims too. it's not like they just randomly victimize anyone, there is no satisfaction in that. also, if they are random, they will be exposed. sociopaths understand politics really well (again, status quo) as it's their forte as well. they attack those that are not of their "tribe" (not necessarily race-related) so they have back-up or a supportive base. sociopaths are repulsively hyper-sensitive and tuned into other's minutae weaknesses, areas of vulnerabilities and strengths to exploit which good people don't focus on as that's not on their radar. it's whoever's 'blood' they sniff out so to speak or piques some issue or area of inadequacy or failure or sense of difference, which will create a vendetta within them. the sociopath is extremely sly and covert, very reptilish. the sociopath or sociopaths (sometimes they team up) can end up being the one to define your life more than anyone else because of the level of deep devastation they wrought. this is because a sociopath's real aim is to destroy the person at the root level literally. this is not about squabbles though the sociopath may try to front it as such. this stuff is predation and doesn't have to have any legitimate reasons except it be deep, dark and sinister. that is how frightening and horrendous a true sociopath is. it's not retardation or stupidity or insanity etc. they really know what they are doing and even relish it because it is evil, perverted, harmful, degrading etc. if one ever has the horrible misfortune of glimpsing or getting close to a sociopath, there is nothing more hideous. sociopaths are extremely malicious, narcissistic and seething with jealousy and hatred but this can be hidden fairly well when they decide to. i've also noticed they have a 'my way or the highway' type of modus operandi which lends itself to a rather prejudicial and narrow-minded streak so they get along with more conventional type people or that is usually the type they make friends with; more toward right-wing, authoritarian, very status-quo from outside observation etc.

also, the ones you see glamorized on television like serial killers are not always the most devious ones. most of them are psychotic with some sociopathic traits.

a sociopath does things in ways where they don't get caught or they won't get in trouble with the law and even use deftness. most sociopaths escape detection. their perversity can be subtle and passive-aggressive as they flip/switch on a dime depending on the situation and the people around them (who is watching).

Hi everybody, I'm new to this forum, but after reading this post I had to register so I could reply. You sound like only someone who has had a personal experience with a narcissistic sociopath can sound. Well I can relate and sympathize with what you said. It's very accurate and describes well my own experience with a woman that ruined my life on many levels. While she specialized in controlling and torturing men in her life, she never did anything for anybody that wasn't self serving in some way. She is a person that will hurt everybody in her life and the closer and more anybody cares about her the worse the hurt will be. Once the relationship is established it's virtually impossible to get away from her. I had to move out of state to get her out of my life. I'm incredibly sorry for the 5 children she's had and the three men she had them with. Thank goodness for small favors, none of the three was me.
 
Hi folks. Home again. Thanks for your observations and comments..

For the record, I'm diagnosed sociopathic, clinical depression (taking venlafaxine for that) and PTSD.

It's hard to know which condition is going to be predominant on any one day. Recently I've been less psychotic and more depressed. My anxiety levels have been all over the place, and I keep getting thoughts of suicide 'though I don't have an active plan. The attempts I've survived have been due to outside intervention and sheer luck. I have caused a fair bit of damage to myself and my friends over the years.

Thanx Chimpkin for your posts. I'll look into the damage mitigation medication, it's something I'd be interested in...I didn't know it was available.

The good news is that today I started treatment for my morphia addiction. Maybe when my head is straighter and finances improve I'll be feeling less stressed. My recent motorcycle accidents were all the more painful as I was virtually immune to the morphine. I didn't like using street heroin 'cos you never know how strong it is or what's been put in it. My most recent accident is probably because it had rohipnol in it. Didn't find out 'till after, though it still took me 2 days before I bothered to go to horsepital...
That old feeling of 'I don't matter' combined with a general dislike of horsepitals (being sectioned will do that..) made me a bit reluctant. Turns out I'd broken my second and third metatarsal bases, first and big toe, Lateral cuniform (so broken the surgeon never bothered to count all the fractures) whatever that is, and a rib (again). After I snapped my right arm in half (literally) it's been hard and painful to ride again, but having an anxiety attack whilst riding was the cause of that. Hit water too hard too fast and collided with a car. Hence the morphine...

I love you man and you matter. I got a joke for you. When someone sees a homeless man and his dog they say " Look at that poor dog "
I will spend the rest of my life changing that perception . Voodoo spells and hypnotic suggestions have a way of altering perceptions and if I and others like Me can reach enough minds and infect them , Success can be had . All a matter of time
 
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