Sin in Heaven

[Prince_James]

Lightgigantic:

and what is the truth?
that actually we are not great?
Isn't that also a value?

All personal value takes away from the objectivity. One could speak of valuelessness as perhaps the best feature.

however both of them can indicate something as possessing value and that would be identical - for instance the man who sees gold can explain it is wonderful because now he can purchase all his necessities in life and not have to worry - perhaps the other man might think that best situation for having no worries would be living in a grass hut in the jungle - regardless of issues of application, the value of being free from worries (or whatever value you attribute to the possession of god) is readily communicated outside of relative issues of culture etc

Agreed. There is a pragmatic benefit in certain basic things which no one can deny for anyone who is alive.

 

[lightgigantic]

Prince James:

All personal value takes away from the objectivity. One could speak of valuelessness as perhaps the best feature.

actually I think it is better to speak of understanding which values stand as more important/valid than other values as the best feature